' Wrote:man, what are you talking about? not the Vengeance and Magma Hammer class 9s I hope!
Oh god no...Not the Magma hammer 9s...but yes, the Venges. While Liberty weps are fine with me, my fighter wings have been having a lot of trouble when then are pitted against players that use Solari, Purple Goddesses, Skyblast B's, and tizzies...
the MgHammers are kinda inaccurate unless you are very skilled or charging the enemy, 1800 Hull per sec(I carry 3, do the math).
But what I am saying is that while Lib weps are good on their own, there's alot out there that they can't compare to, YET, we are choosing to stay RP about it and NOT use Coladas, Solaris, and/or skyblasts. I feel that other players/factions SHOULD do this as well. Sure, it is ambiguous for some...but, then, at least come up with RP for it...
It is sorta weird, not outrageous though, for the BSG to be mounting Outcast weapons...the reason I say this is b/c the BSG is more or less a merc faction residing in sirius for the time being...
@ Doom
The thing you mentioned about weapon toughness...you overstated it. I tested, and a cannonball will not knock out the Reaver Mk5's off your ship.
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' Wrote:Actually that was a game bug, my corsair rep was in the White bordering red, i had just dropped the tag by aborting corsair missions, but for some reason it stuck, not my fault game glitch, and my highest rep was Junker, then Bunshuh then Hessian then Outcast. most definitely not corsair so you must have been friendly with the outcasts or junkers.
As to my ship choice, does no one bother to read the RP background stories anymore? In there it clearly explains the ship choice, and i have permission from my faction leader, also i have explained this to RM chars that have seen this and they have understood so its not hard or far fetched if you read my history.
So don't you berate me, i find it outrageous for a BSG planetform, SF allied pilot to use unlawful drug trafficker weaps.
Well, and it is my fault about the game bug?...U were red to and that is it...
I am not green with outcast or junkers...so it must have been the same glitch u talk about...
Wow..read RP stories...i try to..but i don't have the time to read every single one...U don't think that i couldn't think of some lame RP story of how i got those outcast weaps?...And slap u in the face with it when u say: u are BSG and u use outcast weaps, how rude of u... If i had this story would u make this thread in the first place?..I think u would...
If u want RP story - dont u know that we have weaps dealers in game...u don't think it is possible to buy weaps from them?...no, u go to the forums and start flame war...one of many we have seen here before...
And your opinion about how outrageous outcast weps are on BSG ships is irrelevant. Krakens are lootable weaps and every one can get his hands on them if they want to... Only weapon that did buy at Malta is Inferno...and i will surely keep it for the reasons i stated before...
Quote:The thing you mentioned about weapon toughness...you overstated it. I tested, and a cannonball will not knock out the Reaver Mk5's off your ship.
Ya..i checked that too...u are right...
But in my past experience krakens will last longer...
Doom, I don't want a flame war, I would like a civilized discussion. Anyway, the 'out of bounds' was exactly what you said, a little bad RP, actually the complete Outcast loadout on your fighter and the Corsair tag on Olsav's. Which brings me to Creampuff's statement about the RP in Discovery version: Yes, the Outcasts should be neutral-friendly with the BAF, not sure about the BP though (cooperation exists between Outcasts and BAF) and Planetform is hostile because of Harris (Outcasts consider Tau-31 their turf) and Planetform relations to IMG, with whom the Outcasts have a teritorial dispute too. If you read rumors in bretonia, they say (BAF officers) that they have no quarrel with the Outcasts as the Outcasts use Bretonia just as transit to Liberty.
If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor
People are just pointing out that the BSG are aligned to planetform, who hate the outcasts. Thats why all outcast weapons on your fighters is more then alittle strange.
If everyone RP'd weapons it'd make life alot easier, however even though igiss added class 8 and 9 guns for most of the factions that didn't have them people still don't use them.
So your right, each and every player has to make a choice, equip-to-win or equip-to-RP.
To be honest only my [Phantom] fighters have even been equipped to win.
At the minute I only have two fighters, one [IND] and one [GoR], both equipped to RP.
The [GoR] is an outcast so it has outcast weapons. The [IND] one has liberty and civilian weapons, along with the one and only blaster I managed to loot, as it's been stationed in alaska I don't see the problem with mounting just one.
It's not that hard, you just have to think alittle before buying or equipping weapons.
Well, i spent most of my day yestarday playing FL and exploring new weaps, set ups for our vipers. Most of that time i spent in correcting my reputation to be able to buy almost all level 9 lawfull weaps...and some semi lawfull, like order weaps...today i will try some set ups and see how they will do in fight...
Oh and if anybody sees my fighter on line...don't be amazed if u are xenos and u see me as green but still with planetform tag...reputation on my fighter is very strange to say very least...i have only 4 factions as red...all other are green or at least neutral...reputations for certain factions drop or rise very strangely...
As all of this conversation is a matter of opinion and not server rules I will humor everyone. I find it distressing that the difference between a good RP player and a bad one is one fabricated-for-convenience story on the forum to explain your favorite ship/weapons versus your ID/Rep. We have the makings of a class system on this server. There are 2 standards being espoused: one standard has very strict rules about how a faction behaves and equips, the other says you can do whatever you want as long as you make up a story to explain it.
If you all want to make this a vanilla role play enhanced mod, drop all of the non-vanilla ships. This will eliminate all of the debate about faction weapons and faction ships. If you like Disco the way it is, don't complain when somebody non-vanilla comes along and makes a faction like =BSG= out of non-vanilla ships. Furthermore, don't try to apply Vanilla role playing rules to a non-vanilla faction and expect a perfect fit. Believe me we are TRYING to bridge the gap between these two playing styles.
Now, since there are people posting in this conversation whom I respect I will put forward a few ideas for how BSG could RP equip its ships. Comment on this please.
1) BAF class 9s + nova, minirazor or CD (working with Bretonian Government)
2) Zoner class 9s + nova, minirazor or CD (BSG ships controled by Zoners)
3) combination of friendly class 9s, codenames + nova, minirazor or CD
I would like to point out for the record: had Doom been using any of these combinations on Olsav, the outcome of that battle would have been the same. If anyone is going to make this a constructive conversation lets leave emotion at the door please.
I see nothing wrong with some of your weaps being outcasts, like 1 or 2, just not the whole bunch, civilian weaps are decent now, along with Bret and liberty, there must be some weaps that you like that come from those 3 places.
That is about it.
As to the state of the rp-back stories, how about everyone uses that as an index, so that in a case like this, it can be looked up to see if it is a legitimate rp reason.
As to the weapons i dont think any more needs to be said by myself or the BSG, just try to not have all outcasts or unlawful.
RAHF.Lt.Karol.Olsav
fmr Lord Solar Admiral of the Helghast, fmr.RAHF-Olsav-[Cpt], fmr. {Helghast}(LSA-vhf)~Olsav, fmr.{Helghast}(LSA)~Olsav, aboard HCS. Kesselring
' Wrote:As to the weapons i dont think any more needs to be said by myself or the BSG, just try to not have all outcasts or unlawful.
I agree with u..and like i said before i am working on this...I am senior CAGG and pilot instructor within our clan and most of the weap advices come from me...and i am working hard every day to make our pilots the best they can be...I admit that RP wise outcast weps may have been a mistake, but they ARE currently the most powerfull level 9 weaps around... and with pirates swarming in Cambridge i gave our unexperienced pilots the best chance to live thru a duel, and i am not ashamed of that.
' Wrote:If you all want to make this a vanilla role play enhanced mod, drop all of the non-vanilla ships. This will eliminate all of the debate about faction weapons and faction ships. If you like Disco the way it is, don't complain when somebody non-vanilla comes along and makes a faction like =BSG= out of non-vanilla ships. Furthermore, don't try to apply Vanilla role playing rules to a non-vanilla faction and expect a perfect fit. Believe me we are TRYING to bridge the gap between these two playing styles.
Its not the fact your using non-vanilla ships. Its the fact your using ENEMY weapons.
The ONLY weapons I use that are not from factions at least friendly to my host-faction are the Tizonas, and pending further information about the Adv. Debilitators, that might even be changes. Everything else is faction-dependant. I use Corsair guns for Bundschuh, because Bundschuh are friendly with the Corsairs, but I use the Sabre, because all Bundschuh use the Outcast's ship line (Dagger, Stiletto, Sabre).
My GC uses Blood Dragon weapons because GC are allied to Blood Dragons, and uses the Eagle as the GC use the civilian line (Hawk, Falcon, Eagle).
Your using weapons and ships from a completely HOSTILE faction, claiming that they should be friendly to you due to your war. But neither Igiss nor the mod says anything about Blood Dragons actually going friendly with Planetform or BAF. If you really think about it, the Blood Dragons would be just as adverse to you invading their home as the Kusari government is.
You can't really use ships just because they look like something from Battlestar Galactica. This is Freelancer, this is NOT Battlestar Galactica. In Freelancer you play the game as Freelancer, like everyone else. Sure, you can RP your faction as if it came from the Battlestar Galactica universe, but you can't pick and choose your weapons and equipment while disregarding the Role-play involved in your choices. You can't have the best of both worlds.
There is leniency, but I believe most people think using ships and equipment off a hostile faction would not describe as RP.
Planetform has access to BAF weaponry, Rheinland weaponry, Liberty weaponry, as well as civilian weaponry. Along with most trading company weapons, such as the GMG skyblast.
@Doom; Your example of getting the gun because of its hitpoint value is just the same as if you were picking a gun because of its higher damage output. Its an equip-to-win attitude, where you pick one gun because its better than the others, while disregarding the RP.
In that case I believe a solution to this problem would be te introduction of BSG-tailoured ships and weapons, like the raptor as a bomber, a specific type of cruiser-a gunstar, maybe even downgrading the viper MKII to heavy fighter level and introducing the MK VII as a VHF. As for weapons, I always lacked the original KEW(kinetic energy weapon) from the series. one gun for the whole faction. Unfortunately, for those changes to take place, a next verion of discovery would be needed. Now as for the Krakens-the outcast weapons, being discussed, I believe, a mutual agreement between the outcasts and BSG could have taken place. BSG despises and kills the corsairs, who are known to be the outcast's enemies. As such, a supply of weapons could be a token of gratitude, couldn't it?