I actually am not skirting around my meaning or slyly criticizing the few Hogosha who are on. There aren't enough of them until very recently to begin to change things and nothing is "their fault". This isn't about blame.
I completely mean that because its been so sparse with player numbers and the like, and because other players in other factions kept momentum going that not a lot of distinctly Hogosha identity has been established.
Sigh--this isn't personal. Now is a great time to bring this up because we have some emerging Hogosha and Dragon groups coming in who actually can carry the load of the rp if they want and I'd hope to see everyone open it up some rather than follow in the wake of what's already been done.
One on one all you guys are great--its not a problem. I am talking about how its perceived overall and how its easy to miss that more can be done there.
I do think the interaction with Bretonia has been a great example of doing something different. That's wonderful.
Come into Kusari more, I'd love to interact with you. Just make sure your interaction is heavier on the "yes" and lighter on the "no". What I mean is, when you say "no" in a conversation, you kill the conversation. If you say "yes", you can say "Yes, and..." or "yes, but..." or "yes, or..." etc. Continuation of RPing, not repeating talking points over and over.
Oh, and not all interactions between hostile factions needs to end in shooting. Sometimes people withdraw and choose to live instead of getting blown up.
Well if you don't mean us that's fine. But if not the Black Dragons, who are you talking about? There are no other Hogosha factions, none emerging, and only like 2-3 indie Hogosha. The Black Dragon Society was originally started back in November or so of 2007, and we've been the only Hogosha faction ever created in Disco.
Granted we're on the smaller side. This is something I've been trying to combat for ages, but I think I have a good idea why. We're not a well known faction from Vanilla. Most people think we are nothing more than the Kusari version of Junkers which couldn't be further from the truth. Shoot, I thought that back when I used to play vanilla SP. On that note though, we've been discussing some things in Skype about how to up our numbers, we have some great ideas that we're going to implement soon and we're hoping for some good results.
' Wrote:There are no other Hogosha factions, none emerging, and only like 2-3 indie Hogosha. The Black Dragon Society was originally started back in November or so of 2007, and we've been the only Hogosha faction ever created in Disco.
That's sort of my point. So little of the Hogosha activity so not much has been developed with it. To be dynamic, you need variety and I am hoping that's what is coming with these new groups and players.
If I wasn't Junker I'd be Hogosha. You guys are fine--you need more Hogosha to interact with is along the line of my point here. No one group can pull off the entirety of rp for a whole npc faction (except for houses and corps possibly).
I totally agree. I want nothing more than more Hogosha players.
I honestly think the only reason people don't play as Hogosha is because they don't know what they're missing. Hogosha RP is amazing, very diverse, and incredibly fun.
Still though, what new groups are you talking about? I don't know anything about any new Hogosha groups.
' Wrote:I totally agree. I want nothing more than more Hogosha players.
I honestly think the only reason people don't play as Hogosha is because they don't know what they're missing. Hogosha RP is amazing, very diverse, and incredibly fun.
Its a very hard faction to grasp if you don't have the background. If you have ever been interested in Japanese history and culture, studied about real Ninja and Yakuzas, etc., etc. its an incredible rp opportunity--and that is why I am emphasising not "following suite only with what has been". Open it up.
And thanks for the invitation above. And I am in Kusari more than you know and have been for some time. Won't that drive ya crazy? I have just been very very quiet.
' Wrote:That actually isn't a critique of players. That's the current state. Nothing I said was meant to knock anyone down in that.
The Hogosha have been for some time mostly inactive and the Farmers have primarily represented their interests--that's not a criticism of Farmer players its a statement of fact. I didn't say their role play was bad or wrong... but because a primarily single group of non-Hogosha majority (Farmers and some KNF) have represented them by proxy, the actual role play of HOGOSHA (who I am primarily talking about) has stayed very two-dimensional.
So, our Roleplay isn't our Roleplay? The expelling of foreigners doesn't include Junkers? Neat, I'll write that down.
Foreigner....Inequal....Junkers. Got it. :dry:
I do say that if people were a little more...Intelligent about their dealings in Kusari, the Hogosha would have much more room to respond. Most of the time Kusari gets misguided chaps like the dear one here who think the Junkers are directly firing on the Hogosha on a daily basis. How are the Hogosha supposed to respond to someone shooting them cleverly and underhandedly? When this happens, even those that are doing it the right way suffer because the Hogosha simply assume the Junker has no clue what is going on and is going to dock in Shinjuku to buy Quantum Multiplexors and go to Rheinland.
Now, as one who has intently studied the player Hogosha RP firsthand, I am saying now, to everyone, that it is very much so three dimensional and backhanded. It's much more clever than things I thought of at first, and I have to say, anyone who thinks otherwise should really take something other than a blatantly hostile vessel into Kusari...
' Wrote:I don't disagree with the ban and that comment was not intended as a slap--but my point is that doesn't change the lack of development in the things I addressed.
Hogosha players--in a perfect situation--would develop a variety of core activities that could really define them.
I wasn't addressing game balance, lack of players or personalities and nothing I said should have been taken personally (haha--like that will ever happen here).
In real short to the point speech: I'd like to see the Hogosha rp developed by dedicated Hogosha players so Junkers could be more interactive with them rather than the "Kusari soup" situation we have now. I understand why its that way--I'd just like to see more Hogosha done well. I'm not critisizing anyone's faction I'm simplay saying we have an amalgam and it would be great to see more distinction.
Thanks.
Now, now, Kusari soup is quite delicious, thank you, At least from what I've tried in my young, inexperienced life. Instead of assuming we'll only give you "Kusari Soup," why not try and underhandedly do something in Kusari? This neat thing works nicely, trying to break the 'Sairs away from the Farmers by pointing fingers regarding Bounty Hunters. Underhanded, just like Kusari politics should be.
Onto the point, instead of throwing deification at us and expecting us to throw diamonds back (heaven's knows we could, with all of those things from last version), do something innovative if you want to do something in Kusari. If you haven't noticed, we generally stay in our niche, and it's the Junker's move.
' Wrote:Regarding the barge--it is usually logged out in space as it often is stuck docking or even "hung" in a cut scene. Add a one minute delay and that is why I might be "ignoring" you. I'm not intentionally. Most likely you are pming me at that time.
Oh, no. I know you were there because you decided to talk when I threw a SN into you. I'm very certain that being 5k away from a JG facing in the other direction isn't stuck in a cutscene, as well. It's also quite coincidence that you try and operate in Kusari exclusively for two weeks and then just happen to log out in New Tokyo. Odd how that works out, isn't it? I should write that down too....
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
You are responding with point by point refutations (and snippy, meaningless personal digs) to what are simply observations and suggestions and opinion. Its not a debate or flame. I have played in Kusari--with nuance and differently. In fact--there is quite a post by yourself regarding my own Hogosha character about how much you admired the rp. Search around, you'll blush.
I don't play cross characters as a rule--I am invested in the Junker side of things but I do have a neutral background char in Kusari daily and have had for some time--so this is observation...and its not a knock on the role play that is in Kusari now. It's a suggestion that new things can be done.
Never said not to shoot Junkers. etc. but am stating there is more to it than just that and closet rp for Kusari only. I'll ignore the other argumentative stuff. If you look over my rp log you'll see that i never intended to be a Junker waging full war or staying in Kusari indefintely and if you do read you will see that I've moved on. Much ado about nothing. And do fly your own barge for awhile and you'll get an idea of what I mean. 'Nuff said.