' Wrote:@ Tink. I'm not worried, I just didn't understand the relationships between the law enforcement agencies and the Junkers.
We had this situation in the past of the Congress with a bunch of cap-flyin' guys in BH battle cruisers who camped Yanagi and shot every Junker that came by. Their reason? "You red, you criminal. I good--I kill you." In the end, the admins told them to knock it off as that didn't work to establish Junkers as pure criminals.
The houses are already coded to respond--unless a Junker violates the law they are simply citizens eyed warily who run with a bad crowd. Bounty Hunters have the onus on them to work inside that framework. You don't undo the legal authorities laws and behavior while working under them.
BHs have authority from the houses to operate within their bounties. They do so in the expectation that they will comply with the law and have clear guidelines for the work they take--as in, "You can't execute a criminal any more than a cop can unless you can show a law was broken." A bounty with no crime ois a violation of law in itself if a bounty hunter executes it within house space. There is a reason the vigilante ID is not friendly to police and that's what BHs are if they are not careful to follow a strict code. Mercenaries are suspect as they have no codes as organizations--they are individuals. BHs are contract workers within the houses and have to act accordingly.
You have to make a distinction between the actual Bounty Hunter's Guild and independent bounty hunters.
And even the Guild isn't some squeaky-clean always-files-their-paperwork-with-the-relevant-authorities group. Honestly, who would know if a Hunter took a contract from a Farmer anyways? Beyond the facepalm-worthy "hacking into comm channels" "RP" (and RP is in quotes for a reason) I don't think the Guild would make a complete list of its clients known. After all, Bounty Hunters are paid to get the job done, yes, but they're also paid to do it with a certain amount of discretion when necessary, either to send a message, or have no message be sent at all.
From what I have read from this thread , the Bounty Hunters have to obey the laws of each house. But , to be honest, what I have seen, from both indie and BHG| players is quite the contrary. If Junkers are simple civilians unless caught doing something illegal , then what if a Bounty Hunter catches a Junker carrying legal cargo , or better yet , nothing at all ? Wouldnt it be against a houses laws to slaughter an "inocent" civilian without proof? Inocent beeing in quotes since everyone knows that the Junkers arent exactly inocent, but noone has proof of their illegal activities. Not to mention the whole overkill thing I've seen , but thats a diferent story ( 2 BH GSs and 1 bomber to take down 1 salvage frigate , seriously ?)
On the other hand , i think someone said earlier in the thread that , since everyone knows the Junkers are involved in criminal activities but doesnt have proof , the police and etc would turn a blind eye on the whole bounty situation. I think that is wrong somewhat. For the LPI , it could be semi-acceptable , they beeing a hired corporation , but the Navy and etc turning a blind eye on it seems a bit too convinient dont you think?
' Wrote:You have to make a distinction between the actual Bounty Hunter's Guild and independent bounty hunters.
All bounty hunters are part of the guild. The non-BHG| players are still part of the bounty hunters guild, which is some unified thing with various benefits. reference for example: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/Wu...m/screen608.jpg
Their general status seems to be tolerated at best, and they're seen as essentially criminals who provide a necessary service. Much like, for example, junkers. And because they're all unified and official, they probably actually have less leeway to go around on such controversial-legality jaunts.
No doubt bounty hunters have a seedy side --just as they do in real life. As with Junkers and Hogosha, they have to be careful how, where and how much they let that side show. They certainly have to appear lawful in house space. As to the Guards side--that's their rp. I really don't have an opinion there, they can figure it out.
But a "Kusari" bounty by a quasi-legal group might not stand accepted as a lawful bounty within Liberty or Rheinland space for example by the local authorities there. BHs wouldn't be able to legally fulfill it publicly.
As to renegade and loose cannon hunters...the BHG would police them. I posted something about that awhile back. Break the "Code" in a way that makes the BHG look bad, you might be bountied or disbanded yourself.
I like Star Trek where Worf was "discommodated" by the Klingon high council. I can see BHG having a similar process.
' Wrote:I don't know. I have no real problems with that bounty anyway.
As for who issues the bounty, I see what your driving at but as Junkers are unlawful, it doesn't really matter.
With regard to the BH working for a Kusari group who are illegal everywhere except Kusari, thats for them to work out.
Maybe this thread should go on to debate that but from what I've read here, no-one seems to have a problem with that either.
I think I'll leave it to others more capable to discuss. My head already hurts...
Easy way to determine it is this.
What is the Junker In front of you like/doing? Give him what he deserves. If he's being a *good citizen* then leniency and *ignoring* him might be on the cards. If he's being blatantly unlawful, give him a pock full of lasers.
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' Wrote:But a "Kusari" bounty by a quasi-legal group might not stand accepted as a lawful bounty within Liberty or Rheinland space for example by the local authorities there. BHs wouldn't be able to legally fulfill it publicly.
So if the Kusari State Police offered the bounty instead? They're a police force, who are the primary employers of the Bounty Hunter's Guild, and they are undoubtedly lawful.
Of course, the issue here is that people generally on't go offering bounties outside of the ZOI, which is the main issue with the problem we are discussing. All other "problems" lead from that.