Bombers

[Altaris]

Erm. I replied to a person who posted above me. That was the point of my post.

Eh sorry. No offense o_O
And if he replies to you the same way as i did? Would it be ok, or it would change something? xD
I just said that because i thought you belongs to "Everythingisallright" guys.

Edit: I think i understand what ya meant. Sorry Zel. Anyway that is the minor problem. So please all pay attention to it.

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You all gonna eat cardi!

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[Death.RunningVerminator]

I can dodge SNACs in my fighter (ravens talon) no problem...

And uhh bombers don't fulfill the role of a fighter.

In a big fight, with cap ships, fighters, gunboats, and bombers, they all have a specific thing or "duty" to do. Some of you may not agree with this but here goes: Caps kill the other caps, or anything else that gets in their way. Bombers try to pew pew and KAPOW the caps. Fighters try to prevent that from happening. And gunboats/gunships will kill or at least try to kill the fighters and bombers.

So if you nerf one part of the cycle too much, it all falls apart, thus people will whine, and it wont be fun for anyone.:P

[reavengitair]

So what real options do we have? Buff fighters or nerf bombers?

[Lunaphase]

The trouble is, currently bombers have rediculous armor to go along with them, enough that a vhf unloading into one sometimes barely makes a dent.

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[Zeltak]

The trouble is, currently bombers have rediculous armor to go along with them, enough that a vhf unloading into one sometimes barely makes a dent.

That really comes down to two things mate.

1. The skill of the Fighter-pilot. How well the person in question can aim, and what load-out that person has.
2. The skill of the Bomber-pilot's ability to evade.

You can't just draw black and white conclusions without thinking of factors that vary between individuals. The moment you put in the "skill-factor" in the equation you have to take things into consideration. Sure you can go tell a story to everyone how much trouble you or your friend has going up against a Bomber and I can just as easy pull off a story of a friend who can destroy my Bomber-ass in less than 5 minutes in his fighter.

Now lets forget the skill-factor and talk numbers. Okay, the Bombers have compared to the Very Heavy Fighter class vessels in general about say... 8-10K more armor. That is alot of amour granted but it comes with a huge price of agility. It really does and you can't argue that, any decent Fighter know and can use their agility advantage to severely out-turn a Bomber pilot. I talk from experience on this part, even though I primarily fly Bomber-vessels I have actually used a Fighter from time to time.

Personally, I say go ahead, if you are so desperate to change the Bomber's armor to lower, do it. But then you better improve its agility and then you really gonna have a Bomber-problem. Anyone remember the Red Catamaran Blood Dragon Bomber? Low armor, superior agility. Yeah we gonna go back to that then.

[Death.RunningVerminator]

So what real options do we have? Buff fighters or nerf bombers?

we don't do anything.

why cant we leave it as it is?

[Lunaphase]

Zeltak, you dont go back to agile bombers, because those bombers shouldent have that armor in the first place. a larger powerplant and reinforced point for torpedos is heavy as heck, Nevermind adding more armor somehow. with a mk8 upgrade, which seems all thats used at all, thats a, what, about 40-60k more armor than a vhf, with a ship the same size, usually. So how does that much more armor fit on a bomber the same exact size?

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[Zeltak]

Zeltak, you dont go back to agile bombers, because those bombers shouldent have that armor in the first place. a larger powerplant and reinforced point for torpedos is heavy as heck, Nevermind adding more armor somehow. with a mk8 upgrade, which seems all thats used at all, thats a, what, about 40-60k more armor than a vhf, with a ship the same size, usually. So how does that much more armor fit on a bomber the same exact size?

You are way off with the numbers mate.

If the original difference is about 8-10K VHF vs Bomber in armor. Then when you add the 2.5 multiplier it does not make an armor difference of 40-60K.

Bombers don't have the exact same size as Fighters either, they are larger and more clumsier hence why they get more armor. By your logic I can say that Very Heavy Fighters should have decreased armor because Light Fighters are "almost the same size" and carry just about the same firepower excluding a few gun slots.

[Altaris]

Nope i agree with Luna again. Decreasing armor of bombers wasnt meant in exchange of increasing their agility. Just to lower their armor. Nothing else.

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You all gonna eat cardi!

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[Othman]

I have told this countless times and it has been forgotten apparently. There is only one thing that needs to change, their guns. Take the fighter guns off em and voila.

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