Greyhound Rogue HF

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I wish we had class 10 faction guns...

[sean24]

Greyhound is completly nerfed, was, is, make the poor thing better!

But doesn't the werewolf have 6 class tens?

[DarthCloakedGuy]

Greyhound is completly nerfed, was, is, make the poor thing better!

But doesn't the werewolf have 6 class tens?

Because it's bigger and slower than some bombers. It needs the firepower.

At the moment, most Rogue ships are unfliable against Guardians, Avengers, and Liberators.

Hyena (LF) - Larger-than-VHF size. Will die instantly in group engagements.
Greyhound (HF) - VHF size and turning, LF firepower. Will die quickly in group engagements.
Werewolf (VHF) - Bomber-sized, bomber turning. Will die instantly in group engagements.
Barghest (Bomber) - Can't deal with fighters anymore. Will die quickly in group engagements.

...notice a pattern yet?

Yes, the Werewolf is great in single-player, but that's because NPC light fighters joust you.

If the BAF can't hit 'small' Pirate-line fighters, buff the BAF pilots' aim. And eyesight.

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[Markam]

You clearly arent very up on this,

The werewolf, is almost as fast as a Katana (blood dragon), it has a nomad powercore (which is quite crazy good) and higher than most light bombers armour, it of course, is very big, tough luck.

The Hyena sucks, yeah, I always suggested that the hyena and greyhound had a model switch, because reality check; the greyhound is NOT huge, it's long, and all of the comparison pics used are from taken from the side, bit of a skewed view that has been created no?

the ship is non existant from the front, and in 484 it wasn't smaller, it was actually bigger by having a huge hitbox you couldn't help but hit. The problem with it in 485 was the fact it had a 12,400 core and anyone worth their salt in pvp will mount a razor and spam it non stop, this was obviously a BAF problem, in combo with having the SLOWEST vhf in the mod (the Templar), it had to face molly pilots who were up on pvp (who were actually BAF pilots, damn them).

So nerf Molly pilot skill, or buff LR ability to use razors, the thing sure as hell isn't a piracy ship (it also still has 12,400 power and can technically still razor spam).

Seeing as people aren't happy with it however, it is being changed, I didn't propose just lopping off the shield, but the changes that are coming to it are probably about what I thought was best for the ship.

The barghest is in the same boat as every other Bomber.

Also why stop at the Barghest? if you're in the mood to moan about the pirate shipline go on and mention the gunboat and destroyer while you're at it.

I'd swap you my Bretonian gunboat for your rogue gunboat, now THAT gunboat is huge and mostly useless outside of 1v1.

[Rudo]

the SLOWEST vhf in the mod (the Templar)

Will you give me a cookie if I can show you a slower VHF than the Templar? One that has less guns, even?

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[Markam]

The collector is a special case, and besides, it has 110 bots, more like a mini SHF.

Bit of a strawman to make the Templar look better in agility :lol:

Not that I'm saying the Templar sucks, it's just not well suited to fighting the Greyhound in its previous state, I honestly don't think many ships were that suited to it really, at least Greyhounds that spammed razor with that 12,400 core (Templar has 12,400, Guardian 11,400). I had heard often of others say it wasn't fun to fight, and not all BAF pilots.

You could say that we were supposed to use the Paladin to fight the Greyhound, but take a look at the Paladin lately? I'll take the Greyhound over it, even the 485.1 hound, paladin being one of the slowest HF's with an easy to hit model and HF shield. The Wrath is currently faster (though that's a strawman too I suppose), and the most comparable HF the Centurion is 1.2805 compared to the paladin's 1.2600, for only a hundred armour and a single bot.

Want to talk stereotype's? You say they balance pirate ships to suck, because they're made of scrap metal, but they balance bretonian ships to be slow, because Bretonia builds slow ships? We're all facing the same problems here, what it is to be a kusari with ships rp'd as awesomesauce, ha.

[El Nino]

The collector is a special case, and besides, it has 110 bots, more like a mini SHF.

Now junkers won't quite agree with you... But:P...

Anyhow warewolf is bloody quick, Hiyena and Grayhound models should be switched, but morelikeley grayhound model needs a replace, and even when that is done it still should be a HF that Rogues/Molly lack.

:DGood suggestion there on kusaris that RP their ships to be awesome and fast... Well it's not hard to RP the truth... Except if you are in a titan and you scream "Yo' Mamma" Jokes in to the system at Warewolfs or Barghests...

Grayhound should be about as useful as say Gladiator or Paladin, a speciality ship, good for some things but generaly not as good as the VHF these factions have. Werewolf is spectacular in some areas. When it comes to VHF's It is insaneley quick in dodging, if it had any model but that model it would totaly rape.

But same goes for Greyhound if it had any other model but that one it could be quicker...

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[DarthCloakedGuy]

Also why stop at the Barghest? if you're in the mood to moan about the pirate shipline go on and mention the gunboat and destroyer while you're at it.

I'd swap you my Bretonian gunboat for your rogue gunboat, now THAT gunboat is huge and mostly useless outside of 1v1.

Please, don't be an Artful Dodger here. The Rogue Gunboat and Destroyer are irrelevant, as they're only, I repeat ONLY used for events.

And let's stop comparing apples to oranges.

Let's start comparing Liberty Rogue fighters with Liberty lawful (and Xeno/Civilian) ships, as THAT is what this thread is about, thankyouverymuch.

If the BAF really fails that bad at life, give them better ships.

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[Markam]

I think I explained everything already, if you read it instead of quoting a semi-joke and then attempting to sideline something quite important (molly vs baf) and then insulting people.

Baf ships are fine, if Rogues flew like Mollys did the Greyhound would have been overpowered in Liberty just like it was overpowered in Bretonia, equal pilots fighting not being terribly equal, the ship was a VHF that had all the strong points of a HF and the strong points of a VHF.

If you want to throw eggs, maybe it's the Rogues that needed better skills? And still needs them to cope with losing a shield class. KNF and the Corsairs must really reallly suck if BAF sucks, I think we tend to beat them plenty enough.

Please argue against the arguement instead of resorting to petty insults, 'thankyouverymuch'

EDIT: posted three times in this thread now, I will not post anymore.

[DarthCloakedGuy]

Fine, don't post in this thread anymore. You weren't contributing anything useful.

Rogues use CDs, not minirazors on our Greyhounds because, simply put, we don't have a choice. A minirazor never stopped a gunboat or bomber from engine killing, never stopped a trader from running away, and never stopped anyone from spamming missiles or mines. That, combined with how tiny Liberty lawful fighters are (Seriously, just look at the Liberator), minirazors would be useless.

I don't really know what the situation is in Bretonia, as I'm not able to RP a Bretonian, and I doubt it would be very much fun with the KNF parking in Leeds. However, I do notice they aren't doing well against the Mollies or the KNF (Otherwise the already tragically sucky Greyhound wouldn't have been nerfed and Kusari wouldn't be winning the war).

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HISPANIANS, FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF HER PEOPLE
A Plea to the Outcasts (PG)
CHARACTERS:
LR-I.Got.Nothin', LR-Empty.Pockets, and LR-Dead.End = "Lash" McDaggit of the Liberty Rogues.
SMUG~Eat.My.Exhaust = Jane Terraman and Bob McAdams, smugglers of the Liberty Rogues.
[H]Cj.Martino.Perez = Martino Perez, self-declared Counselor of the Hispanians.
AVATAR MADE BY SPIRIT! THE AWESOME.