[LN]-LLS and LNT vessels (the latter of which Im gonna have to kick some folks if they havent renamed to LLS) can also be seen in Kusari from time to time, doing a diplomatically negotiated run from Liberty space to Yokohama shipyard.
With the recent developments between Kusari and Rhineland, I would not be a bit surprised if tensions over the Kusari / Bretonia war begin to force the two into not only an economic ally but a strategic one as well. While Liberty must work to ensure her own security, Rhineland may not be the only security threat now.
As to rendering assistance, I believe Liberty would do what it could, if for nothing else, to extend and protect it's own economic interests, while maintaining stable relations with both combatants. Of course, I also see opportunity there for further intrigue.
' Wrote:Samura raw materials, and Kishiro/GMG fuel keep the Liberty war machine going.
Kusari can shut the gates any time it wants to - and the Liberty/Rheinland war grinds to a halt (and not in Liberty's favour!).
Rheinland can still get fuel - Republican transports move freely through the Sigmas - and Kishiro moves fuel to them.
If any House is profiteering from war - it is Kusari.
Oh Liberty, sweet, naive Liberty. What is going to happen when Kusari dominates Bretonia? What will they do next?
All I can say is - Liberty had better come up with some contingency plans fast!
First of all, Liberty -built- those gates Kusari would shut, as you claim. I'm pretty sure Ageira and DSE would paralyze the entire infrastructure in Kusari, if that would happen. That, or blowing up the locks, Liberty has a big enough fleet to face two houses at once, actually.
About GMG, Kishiro and the fuel issues ? Space is tri-dimensional, you don't need to cross Kusari to get to the Sigmas if you build new gates elsewhere. You'd think that Liberty would've invested in such a project by now.
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You're all creating scenarios in which Liberty sides with Bretonia. What if they were to side with Kusari? You forget that Rheineland once tried to take control of Sigma 13, GMG space now, but initially had close ties with Kusari government. The GMG probably still don't like Rheinland much, and Kusari probably doesn't want to upset one of the biggest corporations that are friendly with them and potentially be a great source of income to support their war effort.
' Wrote:About GMG, Kishiro and the fuel issues ? Space is tri-dimensional, you don't need to cross Kusari to get to the Sigmas if you build new gates elsewhere. You'd think that Liberty would've invested in such a project by now.
Yes, I would have thought that too.
But they havent.
gmg wil lkeep shipping fuel toLiberty because the GMG are a corperation the one thing liberty wont run out of is money they can simply drown GMG in cash to get them to send fuel there way kusari wont attack GMG because GMG wqill kick there arse like they did rhineland
Pardon me but some of you need to stop thinking that Liberty can do everything because they have cash.
If a decision is reached that Kusari won't export fuel to Liberty then trust me, they wont get as many as they used to get. Even if some smugglers dare to go and try it, those same smugglers have to pass either trough kusari or trough rheinland to liberty. Not happening. Get it?
They'll find different sort of fuel They'll do something like that, but they certainly won't cash out a ****load of cash and say "there! problem fixed"
That's really not how things go.
Besides, war with Kusari, siding with bretonia? Why? So they can take Taus? You think CR and IMG will take pleasure in someone else poking in Tau systems?
All they can do is secure their ground well. Thats for sure. But to actually wage war against Kusari is pointless at this stage without finding someone to poke kusari from other side. Like outcasts (oh snap they're stretched and not liberty's allies) or Corsairs (right), or ...
' Wrote:gmg wil lkeep shipping fuel toLiberty because the GMG are a corperation the one thing liberty wont run out of is money they can simply drown GMG in cash to get them to send fuel there way kusari wont attack GMG because GMG wqill kick there arse like they did rhineland
Well, it nice to see you have confidence in us!
But if you believe the Guild is just a corporate entity - you need to read up a little more into our lore and RP.
If it came to something as serious as an embargo on Liberty trade through Kusari - it would be tough for the Guild. But not a total disaster, we would simply have to find new markets.
Expansion of the Rheinland market would spring to mind - and that would be a double whammy to Liberty! Restriction of their old fuel source, and their enemies getting a bigger influx of resources.
' Wrote:For the love of god, let's not turn this onto a Liberty/Bretonia/Outcast verse Rheinland/Kusari/Corsair war.
The houses all have vested interest in each other, if we polarised the war like that the economy would come to a grinding halt.
While Liberty would feel sad for losses caused from war to both sides, I would say they will be concentrating on reducing their own in their war efforts.
You know I don't think it would turn out like that at all... I don't know just thinking Rheinland wouldn't be able to hold a 2 front war and I think rheinland Bretonian diplomacy isnt in any way shape or form near going to war we all get along just fine.. It surprised me when I saw Liberty as an ally instead of rheinland to bretonia as rheinland bretonia seemed to get a long a lot better and had more reasons to be allies.
Oh and just pointing this one out look at the MAP.... Kusari up there rheinland down stairs I don't think they would make apropriate allies and well they don't seem to be all that Huggy huggy.
Liberty might come in and assist but that would indeed cut down options for trade because they would lose the kusari option for trade however I think if Bretonia was in any form of falling completely Liberty might intervene I doubt it would suit them and their lil money making to lose an ally like bretonia.
As for Leeds falling I sincerely doubt it I think the armed forces will push the Kusari out of Leeds and Bretonia will regain stokes etc. An to be honest I think bretonia is a more suited ally with rheinland just seems like they have more to offer each other you never know rheinland and bretonia might just become even more friendly and well if Liberty gets annoyed well they will just have to live with it I doubt they would declare war on bretonia for having friends and securing its future survival an keeping its back closer to a wall than an open field.
I'm also of the opinion though Liberty isn't quite as all powerful as it thinks it is.. I mean it has money yes so does a lot of other factions *cough* gallia she's bigger and better we just don't know that yet *cough* I don't think Liberty has the capacity to play the role of the UN as it isn't the united nations protecting civilians there is nothing in anything i've read that gives the opinion Liberty gives a hoot about other peoples civilians or even having the mentallity that it is the sort of house to come in and serve and protect refugees. If you want a United nations setup then make make something like the UHS United houses of sirius we should then give a veto to a neutral party or make the head of the UHS be voted in give them the Veto that way the houses can't all go Snap veto i don't like that an unlike the UN in the real world this would actually work um and gallia doesnt get a vote because we don't know it that well and it wants to kill everyone... point is though Liberty are not peace keepers they look out for one person really LIBERTY or so it seems to me...
Long story short I don't imagine liberties point of view is very chivalrous even if they can take 2 houses at once I doubt they would come in and help bretonia only maybe if bretonias fleets were all lost and scattered but there not. Haha I imagine rheinland running in to help a neighboring house with its navy more than liberty.
:Dsorry if any of that sounds off topic i sometimes go off on tangents