' Wrote:Zoner Argus, there was an agreement in place that the Corsairs were abiding by. The Omicroners and Freeport 9 have decided that agreement does not suit them anymore and are now canceling it. Please, dont blame the Corsairs for that.
Miguel
Elder Sephardi, In no way was my comment meant to be construed as a laying of blame. I apologize if it came off as such. I only wished to ask a question, in order to gather information that could used in future instances to avoid unnecessary conflict.
For with more information, a more informed decision could be reached, Don't you agree?
' Wrote:We made no new agreement, an agreement by definitions is agreed to by both side. The Corsair nation was happy with the terms of the treaty that was signed. The problem started when you took action against one of our ships that had in no way broken the treaty we signed. No, there wont be another deal between the Corsairs and the Omicroners. Why should we, you have shown that you cannot be trusted to abide by the deals you make, so what is the point in making one? You will just throw it away when it suits you to do so.
If you were happy with the terms of the treaty then why did you not leave the Freeport when asked, under the Good Neighbour policy?
That is where you broke the agreement, and we in turn enforced it by removing docking rights for one of your vessels. Only one.
We followed the contract, and by doing so, you threatened us with war.
I am at a loss as to what to do.
And, as I said, I will return to the old agreement at any time, should the threat of war be removed for Zoners abiding by it.
' Wrote:If you were happy with the terms of the treaty then why did you not leave the Freeport when asked, under the Good Neighbour policy?
That is where you broke the agreement, and we in turn enforced it by removing docking rights for one of your vessels. Only one.
We followed the contract, and by doing so, you threatened us with war.
I am at a loss as to what to do.
And, as I said, I will return to the old agreement at any time, should the threat of war be removed for Zoners abiding by it.
-Sebastien Coen.
Omicroners.
I might be old, but I am not blind, and I can read well. Can you? This is the treaty that we signed, would you care to point out what portion of the treaty we violated?
Quote:In exchange for the cessation of hostilities against Freeport Nine and Zoners in Omicron Theta, Freeport Nine agrees to the following terms:
1.) Freeport Nine agrees to ban all capital class warships, excluding zoner vessels, from docking on the Freeport. Capital Class Warships meaning any vessel of gunboat class or higher.
2.) Freeport Nine agrees to reinstate docking rights for all Corsair Vessels not precluded from docking in the above clause.
I do believe Mssr. Coen is talking about the part of the treaty where the 5k surrounding Freeport 9 is Omicroner space, and Omicroner laws hold soverignity there.
Oh wait, that part got cut out.
Then he must be talking about the ...no wait, that got cut too.
The only provision i see that applies here is the "Zoners can tell other people to do things, and nobody can complain beacuse Zoners are neutral and all powerful and you need us and we have invincible shields and lots of caps haha nana nana boo boo CANNOT PIRAST" part of the treaty.
This right here is a good example of why peace treaties need to be carefully thought out, well designed, comprehensive, and redundant.
Legal jargon does indeed have its purpose.
And frankly, i dont see how this contradicts the treaty already established.
The treaty you signed, signore, deals only with Freeport 9 docking rights, no terms of which are nullified by this new Zoner policy.
This new announcement appears to me to be a relinquishing of the Zoner claim to any part of Theta, which is a seperate issue from the current treaty.
Although, really, can anyone say they are sad the No Fun Zone no longer exists?
~Ezio Della Francesca, Intergalactic Corsair Space Lawyer from Omicron Gamma!
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
' Wrote:If you were happy with the terms of the treaty then why did you not leave the Freeport when asked, under the Good Neighbour policy?
That is where you broke the agreement, and we in turn enforced it by removing docking rights for one of your vessels. Only one.
We followed the contract, and by doing so, you threatened us with war.
I am at a loss as to what to do.
And, as I said, I will return to the old agreement at any time, should the threat of war be removed for Zoners abiding by it.
-Sebastien Coen.
Omicroners.
I might be old, but I am not blind, and I can read well. Can you? This is the treaty that we signed, would you care to point out what portion of the treaty we violated?
Quote:In exchange for the cessation of hostilities against Freeport Nine and Zoners in Omicron Theta, Freeport Nine agrees to the following terms:
1.) Freeport Nine agrees to ban all capital class warships, excluding zoner vessels, from docking on the Freeport. Capital Class Warships meaning any vessel of gunboat class or higher.
2.) Freeport Nine agrees to reinstate docking rights for all Corsair Vessels not precluded from docking in the above clause.
' Wrote:I might be old, but I am not blind, and I can read well. Can you? This is the treaty that we signed, would you care to point out what portion of the treaty we violated?
Elder Sephardi,
The part in good faith where we talked about how the Good Neighbour Policy about staging and nuisances supplemented the no-capital ship docking, and it being the reason you agreed to such a short policy.
If this was not the case however, our contract appears to be frustrated due to mutual mistake.
I look forward to hearing from you on this matter.
You have still not shown me what part of the contractual agreement was broken, or where it said we were obligated to follow your "Good Neighbor Policy." You seem to think that we were somehow obliged to follow something not in our deal. That was a mistake on your part, we followed our contractual obligations to the letter. The Omicroners are the ones who broke the treaty. You can say it was the Corsairs all you want, but we followed the treaty while you did not. That is the end of the story for me.
Beyond that, would you care to explain to me what part of the "Good Neighbor Policy" the Corsairs are being accused of violating?
' Wrote:Comms ID: Freeport 9
Location: Duh
..:: Incoming Transmission ::..
Effective Immediately, we are initiating a good neighbor policy. Our bases are welcome ports to those who seek to trade, refuel and restock. They are not welcome ports for those who seek to use them as springboards for military action or to seek refuge from aborted attempts of the same.
Groups or individuals who think to employ the Nine as a staging ground for military action against our neighbors, on any side of the fence, will find that the comforts and opportunities afforded here will be denied to them.
Signed,
the Seniors
Freeport 9
Hear ye, hear ye. Freeport 9 is welcome to all for trade, beer, and anyone looking for a love hotel. Launching from our beloved wreck of a station will no longer be tolerated. If you bring a battleship to our doorstep, we better see it leave in the direction it came from.
If we see Outcast ships land on our Freeport and head toward Gamma, we will deny you access.
If we see Corsair ships land on the Nine and head toward Eta, we will deny you access.
If we see your ship land on the station with a resurrected clone of Miley Cyrus, we will deny you access.
Zoners welcome folk from all walk of life, but we don't want you bringing your troubles with you. Our ways will be protected. We may be small but so are Gaian man eating killer ladybugs.
Thank you for your time and we look forward to seeing everyone at the next "What happens when you or a part of you is eaten by a Nomad" seminar.
' Wrote:You have still not shown me what part of the contractual agreement was broken, or where it said we were obligated to follow your "Good Neighbor Policy." You seem to think that we were somehow obliged to follow something not in our deal. That was a mistake on your part, we followed our contractual obligations to the letter. The Omicroners are the ones who broke the treaty. You can say it was the Corsairs all you want, but we followed the treaty while you did not. That is the end of the story for me.
Beyond that, would you care to explain to me what part of the "Good Neighbor Policy" the Corsairs are being accused of violating?
I dont see it, do you?
Good day.
Miguel
If you were not following our Good Neighbour Policy, then we never had a contract in the first place.
It was an implied term of our contract.
As for the part the Corsair battleship broke, it was the part about seeking refuge from military action, if we want to get technically inclined, it was seeking refuge from SCRA| and Outcast warfare.
And, as I said, I will return to the old agreement at any time, should the threat of war be removed for Zoners abiding by it.
That is absurd, you people really have gone round the bend. We followed the agreement between the Corsairs and the Omicroners, we followed the good neighbor policy. You just want a fight that much is clear, finally you try and twist your own agreements and rules just to try to justify your blind hatred, it is clear to everyone now. The Artemis was not seeking refuge from anyone there, it was keeping watch over two threats to Crete a mere minuets flight away. Even then the Artemis took no offensive actions. The Artemis was not feeling from an engagement, and it was not docking on the station. The Artemis in no way, shape, or form violated the agreement between the Corsairs and the Omicroners nor did it in any way violate the good neighbor policy.
Your lies will be your undoing, because the agreements are there for everyone to see. Your lies will catch up with you, and will be your undoing. Your slander against the Brotherhood will not go unpunished. Unlike you, we honor our agreements, because of course, we value our honor, while you value your lies.
' Wrote:If you were happy with the terms of the treaty then why did you not leave the Freeport when asked, under the Good Neighbour policy?
That is where you broke the agreement, and we in turn enforced it by removing docking rights for one of your vessels. Only one.
-Sebastien Coen.
Omicroners.
It is of course interesting how quickly your accusations against the Brotherhood change, first we violated the "Good Neighbor Policy" by not leaving when asked. Then when it is pointed out to you that, in fact, that is not part of the "Good Neighbor Policy" and suddenly it's not that we didn't leave, it's that somehow the Artemis was seeking refuge at the station, even though it never made any attempt to dock. Please, how many different claims are you going to make about the same incident? Why not just give them to me all now, that way I can disprove them all at once instead of one at a time. Every time your argument is shown to be wrong, you claim your argument was something else.
' Wrote:That is absurd, you people really have gone round the bend. We followed the agreement between the Corsairs and the Omicroners, we followed the good neighbor policy. You just want a fight that much is clear, finally you try and twist your own agreements and rules just to try to justify your blind hatred, it is clear to everyone now. The Artemis was not seeking refuge from anyone there, it was keeping watch over two threats to Crete a mere minuets flight away. Even then the Artemis took no offensive actions. The Artemis was not feeling from an engagement, and it was not docking on the station. The Artemis in no way, shape, or form violated the agreement between the Corsairs and the Omicroners nor did it in any way violate the good neighbor policy.
Your lies will be your undoing, because the agreements are there for everyone to see. Your lies will catch up with you, and will be your undoing. Your slander against the Brotherhood will not go unpunished. Unlike you, we honor our agreements, because of course, we value our honor, while you value your lies.
It is of course interesting how quickly your accusations against the Brotherhood change, first we violated the "Good Neighbor Policy" by not leaving when asked. Then when it is pointed out to you that, in fact, that is not part of the "Good Neighbor Policy" and suddenly it's not that we didn't leave, it's that somehow the Artemis was seeking refuge at the station, even though it never made any attempt to dock. Please, how many different claims are you going to make about the same incident? Why not just give them to me all now, that way I can disprove them all at once instead of one at a time. Every time your argument is shown to be wrong, you claim your argument was something else.
Time to pay the piper.
Miguel
It was always part of the Good Neighbour Policy, and that was part of the contract as the Omicroners understood it, otherwise we would not have signed it.
The Artemis there was a threat to peace in the area, was using the Freeport as a shield of sorts, and was quite literally a loaded gun in Omicron Theta, not to mention, Zoner sovereign space.
We do not take battleships to your home, it seems that you should return the favour no? For mutual peace?
Either way, back to my point.
And, as I said, I will return to the old agreement at any time, should the threat of war be removed for Zoners abiding by it.