' Wrote:You know, I might be alright with the rule, if it included something along the lines of,
With that you'd see reports not occur. People would be less likely to report anything if they knew the person making the report has a greater chance of getting sanctioned.
Its like saying we're gonna throw the person who was raped into prison for maliciously reporting being raped. You'd have fewer people reporting rape. Sorry but this is the best analogy I could think of.
I do agree that those making false reports should be dealt with. But to immediately take a stance that the admin team would turn their guns to the victim before investigating the issue will likely cause the person being victimized to leave the server. Isn't that why rule 10 in the bounty board is designed for?
' Wrote:With that you'd see reports not occur. People would be less likely to report anything if they knew the person making the report has a greater chance of getting sanctioned.
Its like saying we're gonna throw the person who was raped into prison for maliciously reporting being raped. You'd have fewer people reporting rape. Sorry but this is the best analogy I could think of.
I do agree that those making false reports should be dealt with. But to immediately take a stance that the admin team would turn their guns to the victim before investigating the issue will likely cause the person being victimized to leave the server. Isn't that why rule 10 in the bounty board is designed for?
Falsely reporting a crime is a crime in most places and people often go to jail for it, especially when it is used to try and cause problems for another person.
See here is the problem, I know for myself, I have never tried to drive someone off the server with oorp tactics, I have never tried to drive anyone off the server period. But there are many people who would say that I have. I have never been hostile to a junker on a character I shouldn't be hostile to junkers on, yet I am sure there would be many junkers who would report me the minute this rule was applied. Most of them would know that the claim is not true, and would just be doing it to try and cause me problems. This is a violation that is very hard to prove or disprove, as such, I have a feeling that it will be used as a continuation of oorp disagreements, not a way to end them. While I am not in favor of the idea, if it were to be implemented, at least a warning would make people think twice, or make sure of their claim before submitting a malicious report.
' Wrote:It's simple. It's to stop people filing malicious reports because they were... say...
shot once, quick docked, and promptly ignored afterward... from claiming that they were victimized and being driven off of the server.
you know, as a random example plucked from thin air...
Yes I agree.
Its not about those who come at you once. That's ridiculous.
This is about those who make it their mission in life to get you to leave the server. Say because they don't like you or whatever. I think constantly following someone around in-game when they log in, following them from thread to thread. Not giving them breathing room, etc.
To prove someone is a stalker you gotta have multiple instances as proof. One encounter does not justify stalking. Two won't either. But if a pattern develops and its continuous then you've got a case. Same as posting a bounty on someone only once. How will you prove they are trying to force you off the server under rule 10 of the bounty board? WHY does that rule even exist if its not a legitimate concern?
Its not about those who come at you once. That's ridiculous.
This is about those who make it their mission in life to get you to leave the server. Say because they don't like you or whatever. I think constantly following someone around in-game when they log in, following them from thread to thread. Not giving them breathing room, etc.
To prove someone is a stalker you gotta have multiple instances as proof. One encounter does not justify stalking. Two won't either. But if a pattern develops and its continuous then you've got a case. Same as posting a bounty on someone only once. How will you prove they are trying to force you off the server under rule 10 of the bounty board? WHY does that rule even exist if its not a legitimate concern?
And this thread is a perfect example of why this suggestion is not feasible. Both SR and Alvin are equally guilty of forwarding this problem. Which is the case most of the time. Most of the time when this rule would apply, both side have a hand in creating the situation, but neither can agree to their own culpability in the situation. Thus, very quickly, there will be 100 reports filed on this because no one can see they have a part in the problem.
' Wrote:Falsely reporting a crime is a crime in most places and people often go to jail for it, especially when it is used to try and cause problems for another person.
Ignoring someone's cry for help and letting them suffer is also criminal. In many places if you witness a crime and do nothing to stop it, you are considered just as guilty as the person doing the crime.
I'm just trying to say that if there's a pattern of abuse that someone here is going to do something about it. A single incident is not gonna be considered a violation. It by its very nature cannot be. But if there's a trend then yes it should be at least investigated.
Although Alvin thinks this is about him and SCRA its not. I have had some disagreements with people in that global warming thread and I don't see anyone linking my arguments with them here. Why does Alvin got it in his mind just because we had a disagreement in his feedback thread somehow think this thread is connected to him.
I'd like to hear what others have to say on this. I already know Alvin's opinion.
If there is a pattern of intimidation happening, submit the evidence to the admins as a violation of 1.2, which is a rule that already covers this. There is already a means to deal with it.