You can say that as much as you like. However, people will always draw from real life examples for their role-play. It's human nature. Learn to accept that. The only determining factor of future behavior is past behavior. Works the same in freelancer as it does anywhere else.
' Wrote:Oh and Dusty, what Kusari isolation represents is Apartheid. Simply put, Kusari is South Africa pre 1990. With respect to its isolation, not its actual nation. Which would be Japan.
An apartheid government is generally characterized as one in which a foreign racial minority maintains overwhelming political and social pressure over a native ethnic majority. Your claims don't seem to represent Kusari at all.
I would be interested to hear your defense of that statement.
' Wrote:I thought it was a 'Big Dragon' but I'm not sure, it could of been a GB as I'm not familiar with kusari ships. Thinking about it, he fired CD, do they fit on Big Dragon?
I have just been reading rules and I see 'technically' that a CD is not considered an attack so I am guilty of breaking the rule by retaliating and will abide by any sanction enforced. I will say though that to expect me to sit there until he ran out of missiles and continued his verbal attack would be asking for a bit too much tolerance on my part or anyone elses, and as I am not allowed to log out when interacting with other players (even ones doing what this guy did) then I had few options. I only fired warning shots to drive him off. I made no serious attempt to destroy him
The Big Dragon is a transport comparable to a PTrans. Seven forward-firing transport turrets, CD, CM. Lower hitpoints, 3200 cargo.
There comes a fine line of common sense into this, which you toed quite well.
' Wrote:The initial rule is there to avoid skipping RP due to a CD. So yes, a CD is no aggression on its own.
5 CD's without demands or any RP are an annoyance and your crew might get pissed off.
Logic solution: You take initiative and RP. The RP put into context with the CD's result in you blasting the source of annoyance.
Quoting for posterity. Like you mentioned, this situation almost never comes up. When it does though, the best thing to apply is common sense. I mean, if I have a firearm and some guy follows me with a knife and keeps swinging it in my direction, but doesn't stab me, I'm going to pull my gun and aim at him.
If I feel threatened, I will take steps to ensure my safety. Same thing applies here.
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' Wrote:An apartheid government is generally characterized as one in which a foreign racial minority maintains overwhelming political and social pressure over a native ethnic majority. Your claims don't seem to represent Kusari at all.
I would be interested to hear your defense of that statement.
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Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
Well firstly, who are natives of South Africa is a hotly debated topic. It is not South African Whites and it isn't the 'natives' as you call them. The Khoi-san would be the best example of a South African native. They are extinct, or almost extinct. Secondly, Apartheid was based on separate development. Much like Kusari, it was based on racial lines. Have you actually read up on South African history? From my forum name, the SA part, you can see I come from there.
"An apartheid government is generally characterized as one in which a foreign racial minority maintains overwhelming political and social pressure over a native ethnic majority. "
So, what you are saying is that Apartheid is fine as long as the people excluding others are natives? The problem with Apartheid wasn't that it was a foreign minority, it was the fact that it was a minority. Also, Apartheid came about because of fear. Fear of demographics, population explosion, protection of heritage and many other problems. Did you know that every single African tribe in South Africa, at the time of Apartheid, had their own country? They were called homelands. They were the traditional homelands occupied by the tribes, mainly the Isi-Xhosa and the Zulu tribes. These were created in order to try and protect the African tribes own systems of governance, their own laws and also to protect their customs. Apartheid came into being because people fear being abused and oppressed by the majority. At that time and now there still isn't a solution to protecting a minority from a majority. The only solution is protecting a majority from a minority, it's called democracy.
The trouble with Apartheid was that it was a government forcing an issue onto people. Much like Kusari, that is where the similarities come into being.
I am not here to debate what Apartheid is or isn't. All I am saying is that there were similarities faced by Apartheid South Africa, that being isolation, and Kusari. Kusari is isolated. Apartheid South Africa was isolated. That is the similarity. I am not talking about anything else.
' Wrote:Well firstly, who are natives of South Africa is a hotly debated topic. It is not South African Whites and it isn't the 'natives' as you call them. The Khoi-san would be the best example of a South African native. They are extinct, or almost extinct. Secondly, Apartheid was based on separate development. Much like Kusari, it was based on racial lines. Have you actually read up on South African history? From my forum name, the SA part, you can see I come from there.
"An apartheid government is generally characterized as one in which a foreign racial minority maintains overwhelming political and social pressure over a native ethnic majority. "
So, what you are saying is that Apartheid is fine as long as the people excluding others are natives? The problem with Apartheid wasn't that it was a foreign minority, it was the fact that it was a minority. Also, Apartheid came about because of fear. Fear of demographics, population explosion, protection of heritage and many other problems. Did you know that every single African tribe in South Africa, at the time of Apartheid, had their own country? They were called homelands. They were the traditional homelands occupied by the tribes, mainly the Isi-Xhosa and the Zulu tribes. These were created in order to try and protect the African tribes own systems of governance, their own laws and also to protect their customs. Apartheid came into being because people fear being abused and oppressed by the majority. At that time and now there still isn't a solution to protecting a minority from a majority. The only solution is protecting a majority from a minority, it's called democracy.
The trouble with Apartheid was that it was a government forcing an issue onto people. Much like Kusari, that is where the similarities come into being.
I am not here to debate what Apartheid is or isn't. All I am saying is that there were similarities faced by Apartheid South Africa, that being isolation, and Kusari. Kusari is isolated. Apartheid South Africa was isolated. That is the similarity. I am not talking about anything else.
So do you think it's wrong to RP Kusari that way? I am a very liberal person in real life, but one of the awesome things about this game, that keeps bringing me back, is that I can play characters who are completely different than I am in real life. I can play characters that would do things that I think are abhorant. I can play characters who are racist and well probably evil. Is that wrong? Because it seems to me you are making a real life moral judgment about the role play of a game.
' Wrote:So do you think it's wrong to RP Kusari that way? I am a very liberal person in real life, but one of the awesome things about this game, that keeps bringing me back, is that I can play characters who are completely different than I am in real life. I can play characters that would do things that I think are abhorant. I can play characters who are racist and well probably evil. Is that wrong? Because it seems to me you are making a real life moral judgment about the role play of a game.
I think you and Dusty are missing my point. I don't think it's wrong to RP it that way. I was merely pointing out a similarity to a situation I myself lived through. I would rather prefer people to act out a role then to actually have that role become reality. Enough said.
' Wrote:I think you and Dusty are missing my point. I don't think it's wrong to RP it that way. I was merely pointing out a similarity to a situation I myself lived through. I would rather prefer people to act out a role then to actually have that role become reality. Enough said.
But you realize Kusari is not a place where the minority oppress the majority right? If we are going to have a historical discussion about it, lets get things straight.
' Wrote:Yeah, I get that. I only brought that up because Dusty stated it. My first and only comparison was the isolation bit.
Yes, but there is a significant difference there, South Africa was not isolated because it choose to be isolated. It was isolated because it became to politically damaging for other countries to deal with South Africa. Kusari chooses to be isolated.