' Wrote:Sorry, where should I post that, then? In any case, having a naval vessel side with a pirate seems fairly OORP to me...
If it was a Hogosha, it's not really "OORP" as they aren't exactly treated as pirates in Kusari. In lore they are supposed to be viewed as Kusari Citizens, but if they are found pirating then consequences may be applied to them.
However, post your case with any evidence you got about the situation in-RP over communication channel and Kusari authorities will deal with it there.
I'm [KNF-K]Uchigatana, that was my Bomber. Let's clear something up first. I'm well aware that Mox shouldn't be traded across the border. Hence my inquiry about the MOX in the first place. Now, I clearly came into the situation a little hasty, I'll admit that. However, as I saw it, you were attacking the Hogosha and beating him bloody. He had zero bots, while you were still up in the high 500's.
Now because of that, I ordered you to cease fire on the Hogosha. I then fired a warning SNAC. However you continued, but in this case you claim that the Hogosha was killing you. You still continued to fire, so I had to act fast.
Quote:At that point Uchigatana insulted me and declared that I would "pay for that." Pay for what, taking out a pirate vessel that was continuing to attack me in front of a naval forces officer?
I don't remember actually insulting your character, however it was clear to me you killed him by superior firepower. He stood no chance. Because of this, I engaged and took down your vessel after the Hogosha went down. Now remember that the Hogosha are considered "citizens" within the Kusari. They are a quasi-legal orginization, which doesn't necessarily make them pirates. As Commander Yamakazi said, this was a Roleplay encounter. I have nothing personal against you, or you character.
All in all, I wanted both of you to cease fire, to move in different directions but it seems to have ended in you destroying the Hogosha, and me destroying you as a consequence. I apologize if I did not make this clear by my actions ingame.
This note have nothing to do with KPT. IF you are a member of KPT : DO NOT ANSWER OR DO ANYTHING , if you read this.
Good day or as you say " Konnichiwa" .
Today was a very good day, a day where we found that the plague of KPT has finnaly reached the gates of Navy's castle or Kusari Imperial Guard Official Faction. Well before I write my "drama" , I would like to put a notice, that is not a whining post, its a question post. From your answer we will know what to do in future.
So we all know about the "secret doings of KPT" which are in fact no secret at all. Overwhelming the enemy is what they do, which is good and fun from their point of view. They act as even more active faction than KNF, and sometimes, even doing better.
I am usually very hard to be shocked, but today's actions of [KNF-IG], I want to mention IMPERIAL GUARD, so all to notice it, totaly shocked me.
We all know that in time of war, there is no honor or if there is, its a lie. A lie , which is a simple tactic in order to make the enemy weaker, like all factions did to Bretonia. Reducing its numbers of active members, BLOCKING the capital ships from normal patrols, which reduce the chances for a capital ship to come in time, and much more exemples.
So after this "breaf" info which you all know, here is the Information of this day's KNF total failure.
We got a normal message of a kusari destroyer in Leeds. I can provide you with my answer on it, "If nobody else is going to help you, i will come with my battleship only to make him flee..." A poor exemple of what all people expect from us now. Dont gank, be fair. So I did. But what I found was very funny. And indie Kusari Destroyer fighting a Templar class fighter alone. My "fairplay" was totaly wasted, he was an indie fighting my friend, so no mercy for such kind of INDIES. He automatically retreated to stokes , slowly because the templar had CD-ed him all the time. Then, as I had expected a second destroyer come to join his INDIE friend, but it was not an ordinarry dessi, it was [KNF-IG]IKN-Yakumo. From his name you would expect a fair play, So I did. I asked them both to dock or at least dont fight, (I still didnt want to fight them, even that it was fair then 2 dessis against a bret bs...fair and square) . They refused as I expected and ...surprsie...as always on the image arrives the "mighty" [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato, which hides as always in stokes, awaiting others to do some little damage to the enemy cap, cruise to him as a dude and blast him with his 17 primary guns . So the battle in the end was very ...fun for me and a fail for KNF. All 2 destroyers jumped on me and the Yamato joined them. I think there is no need to inform you on a simple math calculations that a KNF BS= nearly 5 000 000 hull points, a BAF BS= nearly 3 200 000 hull points. Even then I wanted to test my luck and challenge him on a duel...so I did and recieved NO answer from him.
The above mentioned "lad" Yakumo didnt stop to cry how bad we are and that we "assault" their sectors means destruction for us. In meantime Yamato cruised to me and wanted to blast me for seconds. Good luck lad,from what you see I totaly could own you if these 2 destroyers didnt help you with nearly 10 mortars. But its ok, I understand your simple tactic...
So my question is: Will [KNF] join the KPT's kind of PVP battles (by sending overwhelming numbers of caps against a single cap) or not.
P.P: It was a good training for me, really, but from a man that is trying and forcing his men NOT to gank, I am seriously telling you, " I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO".
So I hope "Casero" will answer here and say in proper notes what he is expecting from us in future. The same fair kind of battles (by fighting fairly and get ganked by you), or "with your rocks on your head" tactic.
Thank you for the reading. I hope you will understand the meaning of this. I write here for first and I hope last time.
I'm going to give you my perspective of what happened.
I log on a char, see if I can't get some fun out of the game.
I see how a Bretonian Battleship opens fire on me as soon as I undock, shooting me while I'm still under our lovely dock protection.
I see a lone Kusari Destroyer nearby and the aforementioned Battleship.
I see how there's others around, namely one or so BAF or something.
I remember: This is Bretonia.
I call for the Yamato to come lend a hand, because I know.
I know.
I know that more hostiles will come, soon.
The Yamato arrives.
The Dunkirk gets obliterated.
I see more Bretonians show up here and there, and we give chase back to Planet Leeds.
I see Bombers, I see a Destroyer, I see another Battleship, I even see an Outcast Tridente.
I play bait and switch with the Destroyer on my side, trying to lure the other Dunkirk out.
The other Dunkirk got lured out enough while we were under heavy fire.
I call in the Yamato again to get rid of the second Dunkirk.
That Dunkirk, too, gets obliterated.
Then we had a Destroyer on the Bretonian side who I don't know what the hell he was doing but apparently he re-engaged or somesuch. I didn't care, I still don't.
I tell the Yamato to RTB.
The Yamato couldn't RTB, Bretonian Bombers kept it pinned.
At some point, it did RTB and at another point, the KNF side, consisiting of the Destroyer Daisuke.Oshiro, the Destroyer [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano and the Battleship [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato did however get reinforced by a Mercenary, Silver.Reaver, in a Mafic.
The Bretonians got reinforced by Corporate escorts, some random Outcast Tridente, other random Bombers, some other cap, etcetera. The usual.
However like I said, it all started for me with me being shot at by the first Dunkirk right as I undocked from Stokes.
So what I did was, plain and simple, my job.
And for the record, I ain't cried jack.
Quote:[23.02.2011 17:32:25] BRF|HMS-Royal.Sovereign: Thrawn: Kusari forces, ...dock and lay down your guns
[23.02.2011 17:32:37] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: This is the Kumano.
[23.02.2011 17:32:40] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: We decline.
[23.02.2011 17:32:42] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: Your request.
[23.02.2011 17:32:45] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: For surrender.
[23.02.2011 17:32:50] BAF|Ens.Ian.Sinclair: Negative.
[23.02.2011 17:32:52] BRF|HMS-Royal.Sovereign: Thrawn: You wont "surrender" just...dock [23.02.2011 17:32:53] /fi ikn-yamato
[23.02.2011 17:32:55] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: You.
[23.02.2011 17:32:57] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: Die.
[23.02.2011 17:32:59] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: Here. [23.02.2011 17:33:04] [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato: target?
[23.02.2011 17:33:08] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: Royal soverign
[23.02.2011 17:33:12] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: Cruise up and kill
[23.02.2011 17:33:21] [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato: on it
[23.02.2011 17:33:22] BRF|HMS-Royal.Sovereign: Thrawn: Patchetic as always... [23.02.2011 17:33:26] [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato: cruising now
[23.02.2011 17:33:32] [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato: im getting cd'd
[23.02.2011 17:33:34] BRF|HMS-Royal.Sovereign: Thrawn: Yamato I challenge you to a duel
[23.02.2011 17:33:40] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: No.
[23.02.2011 17:33:42] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: You die here.
[23.02.2011 17:33:45] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: End of story.
[23.02.2011 17:33:49] BAF|Ens.Ian.Sinclair: Ha, no honour.
[23.02.2011 17:33:55] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: You come to our land.
[23.02.2011 17:33:55] BRF|HMS-Royal.Sovereign: Thrawn: Do you accept Yamato?? [23.02.2011 17:33:56] Death: |Convoy|.HMS-Fletcher was put out of action by Daisuke.Oshiro (Gun).
[23.02.2011 17:34:02] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: And threaten our people with death.
[23.02.2011 17:34:05] [KNF-IG]IKN-Kumano: You will fall. [23.02.2011 17:34:07] CONSOLE: Possible cheating detected: [J]
[23.02.2011 17:34:08] [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato: All guns open fire.
I simply, in a flowery, pissed-off-Guardsman's way, told you, in-RP, you were about to get mercilessly obliterated for bringing your behind to Stokes, which, by the way, is completely in-RP for an Imperial Guardsman to tell you, if you, as you did, lay hand on any other Kusarian, not to mention in what in-RP, my Guardsman perceives as Kusari territory. And if you even go as far to telling me to dock and gtfo, after shooting my behind right as I was undocking, then all you're doing is giving me another reason to play the game of rip and tear. And of course, if you, after shooting me, telling me to gtfo, and all that ask for a duel, you're not going to get it, because at that point there exists not one in-RP reason for my character to grant you said courtesy after you have tried to bring, in-RP, the hammer down on my behind.
[color=#FFCCFF]But okay, look, I'm trying to be nice on this place and all, and I do realize you had good intentions.
So I'm just going to tell you to, next time, if you still aim for "fairplay" or whatever, not to bring a Dunkirk to Stokes when the enemy forces there are, as you've said yourself, just one Destroyer, and I'm going to tell you to not open fire on whoever undocks from Stokes right as they undock because that definitely doesn't look like fairplay to me. What you could have, potentially, done was bring a Destroyer of your own and then tell whatever other Bretonians were at Stokes to stand down while requesting a duel from the one Kusari Destroyer. That might have worked.
What you did however didn't work, instead it painted a picture completely opposite to the intentions you've stated here, and it ended with slaughter, more slaughter, Bretonian bomberspam approaching, one Kusari Destroyer exploding as we were retreating, me doing the "XD" face as some random Corporate escort Bomber blew up the GC Orchid with a Nova friendly-fire style, the one that had come to support the Bretonian side later btw, and that post of yours along with my reply.
And for those interested:
I think it was actually pretty fun for the most part, with some bits of retardation mixed in here and there.
EDIT:Colored chatlog, pink is group, red is server messages, blue is blue messages, rest is local.
And as I backread, it appears the HMS-Fletcher was around Stokes very early judging by it exploding to Daisuke right around the time as the Yamato was getting in firing range.
Your "colorful" chaos of words, shows clearly what a mess it was from your side of view. Which is ofcourse totaly wrong.
Maybe you've missed my point of "A single templar been engaged by an indie destroyer" ?
Everyone is whining about none known HMS indies, that are just 60% miners...and usually these indies got obliterated, sometimes even form BAF forces (if they really deserve it).
The point of my entire note, is not to see your point of view, or to ask you, did you had fun ganking...my note is a question to your Commanders, will they do this in future or not. A simple Yes or No will do it and belive me, will be enough. I dont want to hear funny stories from evryone's point of view...
About your colorful words, and point of view, you made me smile when said "I knew more hostiles will come". First I didnt called for any support, even when yamator arrived. I was there alone and doing my best, so "more enemies will come" would not happen. Well, I dont know what can a Templar with half reagents, a Convoy "gunboat" , I repeat, "Bretonia Gunboat" ,( Did I said BRETONIA gunboat), and me ...can do against two destroyers and one battleship. Before Yamator arrived, I knew it was allready a mess. That Indie wanted to lure us in Stokes, and it had to be punished for even attacking a BAF| like that in coldblood.
From then , you arrived on the "picture", so just because you missed 50% of the entire conflict doesnt allow you to fully understand the entire situation.
And dont tell me you was not going to open fire on me. From your point of view it could be a Battleship against a destroyer right? But from my point of view it was a templar vs destroyer. None of us had in mind to assault Stokes and the future battle, that I heard was a failure ...
(So to stop the spamming of this channel or future missunderstandings , I want only high ranked members to speak and say if they are gona do something about the Future situations)
' Wrote:Your "colorful" chaos of words, shows clearly what a mess it was from your side of view. Which is ofcourse totaly wrong.
Maybe you've missed my point of "A single templar been engaged by an indie destroyer" ?
Everyone is whining about none known HMS indies, that are just 60% miners...and usually these indies got obliterated, sometimes even form BAF forces (if they really deserve it).
The point of my entire note, is not to see your point of view, or to ask you, did you had fun ganking...my note is a question to your Commanders, will they do this in future or not. A simple Yes or No will do it and belive me, will be enough. I dont want to hear funny stories from evryone's point of view...
About your colorful words, and point of view, you made me smile when said "I knew more hostiles will come". Well, I dont know what can a Templar with half reagents, a Convoy "gunboat" , I repeat, "Bretonia Gunboat" ,( Did I said BRETONIA gunboat), and me ...can do against two destroyers and one battleship. Before Yamator arrived, I knew it was allready a mess. That Indie wanted to lure us in Stokes, and it had to be punished for even attacking a BAF| like that in coldblood.
From then , you arrived on the "picture", so just because you missed 50% of the entire conflict doesnt allow you to fully understand the entire situation.
And dont tell me you was not going to open fire on me. From your point of view it could be a Battleship against a destroyer right? But from my point of view it was a templar vs destroyer. None of us had in mind to assault Stokes and the future battle, that I heard was a failure ...
(So to stop the spamming of this channel or future missunderstandings , I want only high ranked members to speak and say if they are gona do something about the Future situations)
My colorful words represent my point of view. I told you once and I tell you again, I logged on, undocked, and I was under fire right away by a Bretonian Battleship. I didn't have time to look around much, even though I tried, and I didn't nor could have known whether it was, BEFORE I UNDOCKED, just one Templar against a Destroyer.
[color=#FFFFFF]And to be honest I did not and I do not care, because like I said and say -again-, as soon as I undocked, I was under fire from a Dunkirk. -I- was shot at by a BS right outside of Stokes right as I undocked with a Destroyer.
I do not and I did not claim to have seen or to know what happened BEFORE that, hence why I explicitly stated that I was giving you my perspective of what happened, and thus my reasoning behind my actions.
And given that you were talking about -ME- and -MY- actions in that event directly, I, as Imperial Captain of the Imperial Guard, do have the right to respond to your direct attack and comments on -MY- behavior, until told otherwise by a superior officer.
And get it right, it was KUMANO and YAMATO, not some "Yakumo" and "Yamator".
As for what that Templar and Battleship and Gunboat can do against the odds present? Hell if I know, I'm not going to talk from my experience here, but instead I'm going to once more stress that, BEFORE the Yamato was even present, I undocked from stokes and I was fired at by the present Dunkirk right away, so I'm looking at odds of one Battleship, one Templar, one Gunboat vs. two Destroyers or something? I don't know, I don't have much time to look around and check how things are if I'm too busy being shot at by a Battleship. I do however have all my previous experiences as a hostile element in Bretonia telling me that, plain and simply, there will always be more stuff coming and the situation will, inevitably, get worse.
Oh and I did have that other Kusari Destroyer ASKING FOR HELP OH MY GOD.
However, I will use your logic at this point to give you an example of what I could have said and used as my reasoning for my actions, and I quote you:
' Wrote:That Indie wanted to lure us in Stokes, and it had to be punished for even attacking a BAF| like that in coldblood.
Just as easily as you say that I could say:
Quote:"That Bretonian Battleship I saw right as I undocked from Stokes which opened fire on me before I could even say a single thing was being mean, and for attacking me this way in cold-blood, it had to be punished."
But I'm not saying that. I'm simply responding to your bashing of the [KNF-IG]'s and my behavior in your previous post. Here's your words:
' Wrote:Then, as I had expected a second destroyer come to join his INDIE friend, but it was not an ordinarry dessi, it was [KNF-IG]IKN-Yakumo. From his name you would expect a fair play, So I did. I asked them both to dock or at least dont fight, (I still didnt want to fight them, even that it was fair then 2 dessis against a bret bs...fair and square) . They refused as I expected and ...surprsie...as always on the image arrives the "mighty" [KNF-IG]IKN-Yamato, which hides as always in stokes, awaiting others to do some little damage to the enemy cap, cruise to him as a dude and blast him with his 17 primary guns . So the battle in the end was very ...fun for me and a fail for KNF. All 2 destroyers jumped on me and the Yamato joined them. I think there is no need to inform you on a simple math calculations that a KNF BS= nearly 5 000 000 hull points, a BAF BS= nearly 3 200 000 hull points. Even then I wanted to test my luck and challenge him on a duel...so I did and recieved NO answer from him.
The above mentioned "lad" Yakumo didnt stop to cry how bad we are and that we "assault" their sectors means destruction for us. In meantime Yamato cruised to me and wanted to blast me for seconds. Good luck lad,from what you see I totaly could own you if these 2 destroyers didnt help you with nearly 10 mortars.
And like I said, I have the right to respond to that, 'cause you were pretty much Q_Qing about my and the IG's taken actions in that bit. I have given you my perspective on things so you could see why what was done was done and maybe we could talk this event out in a proper civil fashion, however you simply tell me to basically stfu here and don't even mention the fact that the first Dunkirk opened fire on me right as I've undocked, which ended up as the little spark for all my following actions, only further reinforced by the Bretonian side's further bahavior.
FallenKnight you tried to dock-kill with your Dunkirk and act lame. Didn't work, your tactic backfired and you got owned. Stop crying because you lost and get over yourself.
If what you're complaining about is the independent destroyer engaging an independent fighter, then that probably shouldn't constitute a direct complaint to the Imperial Guard, which I lead at the time of writing.
However, since you were sitting pretty in your battleship, I'm sure you have screenshots of the destroyer dueling the Templar, which you're willing to share? This is kinda required, otherwise the independent player that you accuse and yourself will simply exchange "Am not! Are too!", which would be pointless as I'm sure you'd agree. Plus, if you were at Stokes before the Yamato undocked, how can you possibly justify accusing the Yamato of basecamping when you were actually camping that base and present during its undocking?
Added to this, I do see how the HMS~Valiant was destroyed within range of the Bretonian battleship in orbit above Leeds. If you wish to focus on events that my members could not have reasonably accounted for, given that they weren't in communication with the independent player ingame while not ingame themselves, I would say that we could focus equally on the relative positioning of the Valiant and why oh why it was next to that battleship. Or in simpler terms, since you are so eager to discuss the fight before my members arrived, should we not also discuss the fight after you yourself departed?
On the other hand...
If you had fun, and felt that you actually won the engagement and the KNF on the scene lost, as you seem to think here:
Quote:So the battle in the end was very ...fun for me and a fail for KNF.
Why on earth are you in this feedback thread? Surely, if you had fun, you should be commending the Imperial Guard on providing happiness and enlightening ingame experience, rather than complaining about how you got destroyed next to a base that you were camping anyway.
As a little note, if you do not wish the KPT to respond to a post you make, I would suggest not dedicating the first half of your post to berating them whilst telling them that they can't respond to defend themselves. That just makes you seem like a petulant child.
I knew such kind of cheap excuses could come from the enemy, but since you was not there from the very start, you have no right to complain on the entire situation. How it was from your point of view, or how it was from mine, have no meaning at all in the end, when you draw the "line". Above that line you may be "shot" once undocked, and for an exemple, I can find for you, if you requre, how many times KNF battleships killed people once undocked from planet Leeds. Ofcourse this is not the meaning thread. So below that "line" you see a conclusion, which will be followed in future, from you and from us. What it will be, is still unknown.
You said it very well from your many words with same kind of meaning : "I dont know" "I was not there from the begning" "I dont care" and such ...
It seems you were the one that called Yamato, so it was you who acted wrong as Imperial Guard and member of the official faction, you claim to be. You 2 destroyers had enough fair chances against the templar and me, but no, you had to act superior as always and show some firepower. In your above thread, you have mentioned that you "Had to call Yamato again" in order to kill the second battleship, which presented in the future's 30min later, battle. It seems you really have found a tactic to kill our , "mighty" battleships: Dock-yamato,restock,kill, dock-yamato,restock,kill. If its your own way, well done. It really shows the might of Emperor's fleet.
If you were the one that "created" this "event", my point from the first post, the question, remains. Are you going to do this in future? If you cant calclulate the "fairness" I can buy you a calculator. Answer "Yes" or "No". Thank you.
P.P: I am wondering what could had happened if I had 2 destroyers on my back....maybe you would whine of a gank, even when the numbers could be fair ( 1 bs 2 dessis vs 1 bs 2 dessi):)
To Ghost Reaver,
Dont try to "invite" yourself with such little evidence of my actions. You were not there so just stay out of this. First of all if you cant read, in my First post, I've informed all , that its a "question" post, not a whining. I have been defeated by kusarians before, but never whined. You may check the entire thread of Kusari Feedback, and you will see this is my first time I write here. Why? Because so far It was no reason to do this.
So before I end with a conclusion, I will wait for Joe's, and possibly casero's post here. I need to know what to do in such kind of situations in futre. Why? Because if you think what happened was "fair" , "well enough", or as Ghost said "Owned" ,then such threads wont appear next time in Bretonia Feedback, once we send such force against one of your kusari battleships. Ofcourse we would never do this because we are your good neighbors who are trying to make it fair for you, or in short, easy for you to beat us.
Thank you for reading it, I know i'm write a lot, but I am trying to find the better solution for the entire affair, and it cant be found by one answer.
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