Bounty Hunter - Zoner relations.

[Agmen of Eladesor]

In vanilla, the Guild was in house space and/or border space, and didn't have a large presence in the edge. Thus having and utilizing the Freeports to stage out of in the border worlds, to help provide security for passing convoys and hunting down criminals, made sense. Our actual bases in house space were or are Planet Houston, Sheffield, Deshima, and Planet Hamburg.

At the same time, basing on Freeports has always been a source of tension, but has provided some lovely bar fights. (For those of us old enough to remember, think 'The Trouble with Tribbles'). The net result is that we're not happy with the Zoners providing access to people that are criminals and/or the scum of the universe.

Zoners aren't strictly neutral to everyone, they have some allies. That causes issues when those allies have enemies. Thus, when the Guild saw this favoritism towards their enemies, they pushed back.

From the perspective of the Guild, Jinx is incorrect. As far as we're concerned, the 'war' against the Omicroners is over, and we won. They ended up agreeing to our terms, and so far we've not seen anything to indicate otherwise. Do we trust the Zoners completely? Nope, not in the least.

At the same time - and this is where there are RP and in-game issues due to the ID - we don't consider all Zoners to be the same. They may have or share a similar vision and heritage, but we don't feel that they should all be lumped under the same label.

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[Jinx]

@agmen:

lumping all zoners under one label is necessary - even if illogical - as long as the rules make zoners "one" faction.

with the recent admin decisions - zoners ARE one. and not considering them as "one" contradicts the rules - even if a heterogenous faction has benefits over a homogenous faction.

from that pov, it does not matter how much we agree or disagree with that - what matters is ... those that interpreted the rules made it so that "zoners are one" - there is hardly any room for further interpretation, cause diversity can only be taken so far in terms of the recent decisions.

about wether the war is over or not is indeed a matter of perspective. - some might consider it over or even resolved to their liking - others do not. as official as the declaration of that war was achieved - the resolve of that war was never signed officially but in a way only achieved unilaterally. ( at least ot my knowledge )

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[Shardphoenix]

lumping all zoners under one label is necessary - even if illogical - as long as the rules make zoners "one" faction.

Roleplay>ruleplay.

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[Daedric]

@agmen:

lumping all zoners under one label is necessary - even if illogical - as long as the rules make zoners "one" faction.

with the recent admin decisions - zoners ARE one. and not considering them as "one" contradicts the rules - even if a heterogenous faction has benefits over a homogenous faction.

from that pov, it does not matter how much we agree or disagree with that - what matters is ... those that interpreted the rules made it so that "zoners are one" - there is hardly any room for further interpretation, cause diversity can only be taken so far in terms of the recent decisions.

about wether the war is over or not is indeed a matter of perspective. - some might consider it over or even resolved to their liking - others do not. as official as the declaration of that war was achieved - the resolve of that war was never signed officially but in a way only achieved unilaterally. ( at least ot my knowledge )

Rules =/= Role play

Lumping all Zoners together is not necessary nor does the Cannons statement make Zoners one faction role play wise. It actually have very little effect on how other factions treat Zoners and has a ton of effect on how we interact. We can't bounty each other and we can't have a internal shooting war unless all involved agree to it, which we all know isn't likely to happen.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

@agmen:
lumping all zoners under one label is necessary - even if illogical - as long as the rules make zoners "one" faction.

with the recent admin decisions - zoners ARE one. and not considering them as "one" contradicts the rules - even if a heterogenous faction has benefits over a homogenous faction.

from that pov, it does not matter how much we agree or disagree with that - what matters is ... those that interpreted the rules made it so that "zoners are one" - there is hardly any room for further interpretation, cause diversity can only be taken so far in terms of the recent decisions.

Lumping all Zoners together is not necessary nor does the Cannons statement make Zoners one faction role play wise. It actually have very little effect on how other factions treat Zoners and has a ton of effect on how we interact. We can't bounty each other and we can't have a internal shooting war unless all involved agree to it, which we all know isn't likely to happen.

Zoners INTERNALLY can't shoot at each other (under the current ruling). But during the most recent unpleasantness - where we had ANOTHER declared shooting war, it was only against a GROUP of Zoners, not all of them. (The ORI, in case you missed that.)

There actually is, if it happens in Role Play, no reason right now why we could not end up at war with the Omicroners and still not be at war with the [TAZ]. The only thing that would happen is that we would have to be red with all Zoners - but as we all know, red does not always mean dead.

It took some time, I have to admit, but finally there is somebody who knows more about terms the Omicroners have agreed upon than I do. Desperately searching for an appropriate reaction I am failing, so I can only serve with a worn-out: QQ

The 'leaders' of the Freeports agreed to our terms - which was that the Order can't stage out of the Freeports any more than we can. They can dock there for short term reloading, and so can we. That's all we wanted, and we got that.

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[Daedric]

Zoners INTERNALLY can't shoot at each other (under the current ruling). But during the most recent unpleasantness - where we had ANOTHER declared shooting war, it was only against a GROUP of Zoners, not all of them. (The ORI, in case you missed that.)

There actually is, if it happens in Role Play, no reason right now why we could not end up at war with the Omicroners and still not be at war with the [TAZ]. The only thing that would happen is that we would have to be red with all Zoners - but as we all know, red does not always mean dead.

That is what I meant. Cannon's ruling only effects internal Zoner matters. Other factions are still free to either lump us together or separate us at their leisure.

My only request for the future is that you not try to get the Zoner ID rep hacked when you attack a group of Zoners. I don't think the last one went through, but it would be rather bothersome for those of us that aren't at war with you, considering BHG NPCs infest a good area of Sirius.

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[Doc Holliday]

In reality Zoner tech should be <strike>white</strike> red across the board.

THAT is neutrality.
IMO

Vlko, you are the second person to make this reference. Sprolf once told me as the Molly Leader Colin Breen, "Neutrality isn't giving something to everyone, it is giving nothing to nobody!"
Problem is, we as Zoner giving nothing usually means that people start shooting at us!

Lumping all Zoners together is not necessary nor does the Cannons statement make Zoners one faction role play wise

Remember the ZA? The CoZ? Various RP groups considered them a failure and claimed it to be one nation. So now, each faction RP's it's own diplomacy and the like, you get some different tastes.
BUT.......the fallout for those who branded the ZA and CoZ a failure? Unrestricted purchase and use of Zoner tech by pirates, no real enforcement of the NFZ and no central power to create or dictate policy in Omega 49. To those who whine about that I say, "Deal with it."

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[Mannock]

Agmen, as always, yours is amazing.

ORI was a group that they wanted to use Caps, they used the Zoner ID and no more to say.

But your case is a mental handicap, your base in Delta is due to the Omicrons Zoners, your inability to see it is just your own fault. You do what you know to do, if you know to do something and, please, you forget about the rest.

You're nobody, you and your people can continue to do with yours, whatever you do, and, really, you leave us in peace.

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[Dusty Lens]

Agmen, as always, yours is amazing.

ORI was a group that they wanted to use Caps, they used the Zoner ID and no more to say.

But your case is a mental handicap, your base in Delta is due to the Omicrons Zoners, your inability to see it is just your own fault. You do what you know to do, if you know to do something and, please, you forget about the rest.

You're nobody, you and your people can continue to do with yours, whatever you do, and, really, you leave us in peace.

YEAH!

<div align="right]....Wait what

Anyways. As to the statement that Zoner leaders issued the whatsit capitulating there might be some room for discord with that statement. I mean, I was speaking for FP9 at the time... But even though I was speaking as a proxy for a number of persons I imagine it'd be a chilly ass day in hell before someone called ME a Zoner leader.