' Wrote:I don't NEED to play on the disco server, I just think it would be cool to HAVE the ability to play there.
Now imagine how many people think alike. No wonder admins got tired of processing the players.
By playing I don't provide extra load-out on administration team on per person basis.
Unlike every SRP that needs to be read (some stories are long), discussed and voted on.
' Wrote:By playing I don't provide extra load-out on administration team on per person basis.
Unlike every SRP that needs to be read (some stories are long), discussed and voted on.
Putting my satirical remark aside, it is important to note that just because everyone wants something doesn't mean it's bad. To the contrary, the fact that a lot of people want something indicates it is very good and satisfying that demand will lead to increased activity. The problem is not how to convince people that they shouldn't actually want it - no, the problem is to make it so that satisfying that demand does not consume exorbitant resources, in this case the time of the admins and other players.
I loved the idea of massive bills on death, until i realised the srp idea i had floating in my head basically had me at the punching bag of sirius.... ah well, the expense would totally be worth it for the looks on the orders face
' Wrote:Come on, everyone!
Hark, the Bounty Hunters si-ing,
Death to all the pirate kings...
Goals: To be interviewed by Chris Hansen on Dateline NBC.
' Wrote:The problem is not how to convince people that they shouldn't actually want it - no, the problem is to make it so that satisfying that demand does not consume exorbitant resources, in this case the time of the admins and other players.
Both ends could use a fix.
Perhaps a system where a deposit of amount of credits is needed that is not returned if request get denied. Same as it works with faction creation requests to motivate people to submit sensible requests and think it through before submission.
Quote:-I didn't say I CAN'T roleplay an AI with a RepEx ID, it's the fact that has been explained for a few times now, that having an ID counts as having a pilot. I don't NEED it, I just think it would be cool to HAVE it.
-That's exactly the point. The Phantoms are no longer. From a player's point of view, they no longer exist. Why can't someone randomly stumble across an Umbrage? Yes, it looks amazing. And it IS my top choice for a researcher if I could get a cruiser. The whole Phantom Empire would be at my back? So be it, but since there's no player faction to enforce that, what's the point of your argument? They can't glass any planets if there's noone to do it.
-Either of those things is right. I don't see why a Core captain would have to be a part of it his whole life if he bought the capship through his own work in the BHG, he wasn't GIVEN one. It's his property, unlike say... a KNF cruiser. (the KNF don't buy their own stuff cause they get a regular paycheck and get ASSIGNED to ships as captains, while the BHG earn money as they work for it to buy better equipment)
-This is a false statement. You can try roleplaying as much as you like with a Core ID'd character, but Order, Corsairs, any unlawful will just go "stfu" and shoot you. PLEASE do not try to deny it, you know it's true. Even if you show you don't want to shoot them, they will shoot you just because of the ID. You'd be surprised how little people care about anything other than the ID. The point is noone NEEDS SRP. They all WANT it, only to enhance the appearance. (I've had this happen a few times, I got asked why I have no AI ID on the ship I was roleplaying as an AI, just shows how much people care for RP over ID)
-Why do you hate SRP? Please, don't try to tell me if you COULD have SRP, you wouldn't. It's a load of bollocks and you know it. If you can be more special than others, you would. There are some things you just CAN NOT achieve through RP. And besides, if a group of volunteers wanted to review and process the SRPs, I don't think they'd mind having to do it. And if you care only cause you get less people to play with, then it's just plain selfish.
-Yes and? The rule said ONE SRP per character. If that meant having an advantage in the form of a Freelancer ID'd 5k, that person would sacrifice an amazing choice for meaningful SRP in order to gain 2 mill extra per hour? Bright move.
-People's attitudes need to change for the world to work better, don't they? It's so easy blaming it all on the community. Well screw it, I don't wanna be a face in the crowd. If I CAN have an SRP character, why not try get one?
You thinking something is cool is not reason enough for a SRP. Approving or denying a SRP is a time consuming process for the administration. You thinking something is cool doesn't warrant that time invenstment. You are being selfish by thinking that just because you find it cool, the administration should consider it.
The Phantom player faction is no longer. The Phantom NPC faction still exists. You'll note that their bases haven't vanished. Again, your entire SRP is built around the notion of, being cool.
A Core captain doesn't have to be part of the Core his entire life. You are mistaking role play for out of role play mechanics. The Core doesn't sell ships to its captains, it assigns them. You merely purchase the ship as a player so that you can role play the captain/crew of it. I'll defer to Agmen, Dash, or Monty if that isn't the case. Either way, the Core isn't going to let go of a warship they need.
It isn't a false statement. It is an accurate statement, proven by one of your own SRP ideas. I will deny what you claim, as I've role played with a Corsair on my old Bounty Hunter and came away without so much as a scratch on my ship. It is called role play, my Hunter just happened to be a Corsair who was caught and as a means of survival accepted life as a Hunter. The other Corsair character understood what it means to do what you have to to survive. Would every Corsair player? Of course not, but that is the consequence of role play. Do you think that just because you don't have a BHG Core ID all those same people aren't going to shoot you? You are flying a Hunter cap, they can skew that to mean you work for the Core in some capacity. Reason enough to make you explode.
I don't hate SRPs. You'll note I suggested a new SRP system only a few pages back. I could have had an SRP when they were open. I didn't. So yes, I will tell you if I could I wouldn't; because I've done that. You claim there are some things you can't achieve through role play, yet you continually try to provide role play reasons for having a SRP. Contradiction much?
You're right, no one needs a SRP and most want one. The problem comes in when those that want them, don't understand that their wants cost the administration many hours of work. Work that wouldn't need to be done if the players would just use alternatives that are within the rule set. Everyone thinks their SRP is worthy of being approved and they get upset when it isn't. That is a problem, you can't please everyone. If the administration just went, "Frack it you are all approved." We'd have a server full of people using ship, gun, and ID comobos that aren't standard. Guess what? None of them would be special because everyone has it. The special people would be those using standard stuff. Go figure.
Ignoring the problem because you don't want to hear it, doesn't solve it. The problem does indeed lay in the community first. If we changed as a community, the SRP system would work and be sustainable. Due to our attitudes, it became unmanagable. Thus they closed it. The admins want us to be happy, they are willing to have a SRP system, but they demand one that they can manage. No SRP system will be manageable until player attitude changes.
Perhaps a system where a deposit of amount of credits is needed that is not returned if request get denied. Same as it works with faction creation requests to motivate people to submit sensible requests.
This is hands down the solution.
Deposit should be 500 million at the very least.
' Wrote:You thinking something is cool is not reason enough for a SRP. Approving or denying a SRP is a time consuming process for the administration. You thinking something is cool doesn't warrant that time invenstment. You are being selfish by thinking that just because you find it cool, the administration should consider it.
The Phantom player faction is no longer. The Phantom NPC faction still exists. You'll note that their bases haven't vanished. Again, your entire SRP is built around the notion of, being cool.
A Core captain doesn't have to be part of the Core his entire life. You are mistaking role play for out of role play mechanics. The Core doesn't sell ships to its captains, it assigns them. You merely purchase the ship as a player so that you can role play the captain/crew of it. I'll defer to Agmen, Dash, or Monty if that isn't the case. Either way, the Core isn't going to let go of a warship they need.
It isn't a false statement. It is an accurate statement, proven by one of your own SRP ideas. I will deny what you claim, as I've role played with a Corsair on my old Bounty Hunter and came away without so much as a scratch on my ship. It is called role play, my Hunter just happened to be a Corsair who was caught and as a means of survival accepted life as a Hunter. The other Corsair character understood what it means to do what you have to to survive. Would every Corsair player? Of course not, but that is the consequence of role play. Do you think that just because you don't have a BHG Core ID all those same people aren't going to shoot you? You are flying a Hunter cap, they can skew that to mean you work for the Core in some capacity. Reason enough to make you explode.
I don't hate SRPs. You'll note I suggested a new SRP system only a few pages back. I could have had an SRP when they were open. I didn't. So yes, I will tell you if I could I wouldn't; because I've done that. You claim there are some things you can't achieve through role play, yet you continually try to provide role play reasons for having a SRP. Contradiction much?
You're right, no one needs a SRP and most want one. The problem comes in when those that want them, don't understand that their wants cost the administration many hours of work. Work that wouldn't need to be done if the players would just use alternatives that are within the rule set. Everyone thinks their SRP is worthy of being approved and they get upset when it isn't. That is a problem, you can't please everyone. If the administration just went, "Frack it you are all approved." We'd have a server full of people using ship, gun, and ID comobos that aren't standard. Guess what? None of them would be special because everyone has it. The special people would be those using standard stuff. Go figure.
Ignoring the problem because you don't want to hear it, doesn't solve it. The problem does indeed lay in the community first. If we changed as a community, the SRP system would work and be sustainable. Due to our attitudes, it became unmanagable. Thus they closed it. The admins want us to be happy, they are willing to have a SRP system, but they demand one that they can manage. No SRP system will be manageable until player attitude changes.
[font=Agency FB]Of course I want SRP to be cool. You play your characters to be lame? I don't really care if you like the idea of roleplaying characters exactly like everyone else can. I don't like it. Why should I play a roleplaying game if I have to be limited in my roleplay so much? The fact noone NEEDS SRP doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to get it. There's a million damn explanations to ANY SRP that can be thought of, yet people would dismiss them as invalid cause they think otherwise. And I don't know why you keep droning about the administration having loads of work, when it was already proposed countless times already that there would be a group of PLAYERS determining the SRP valid or invalid. You ran into a Corsair who you roleplayed with, one in a million. I'm betting the Sails would just execute you on the spot without any extra words other than "die Hunter". A lot of different factions would, and it's happened to me countless times, even after I tried to politely let them know I'm not hostile. Yes, I believe it WOULD change things if I flew a Freelancer or Merc ID'd Thresher, you know why? Then I'd have an ace up my sleeve to weasel out of a corsair bomberswarm that I stole the ship. A blatant lie, but it's not OORP to lie. Whenever you flew ANYTHING (perhaps other than a Zonerzonerzoner) you will get shot at by the first character who's bored, you're red to him and he just happens to be on your path with a bomber or something alike.
Sucks to be a weight on the wrong side of the brilliance-insanity scale.
Perhaps a system where a deposit of amount of credits is needed that is not returned if request get denied. Same as it works with faction creation requests to motivate people to submit sensible requests and think it through before submission.
And what about the people who don't like grinding all day? They can't have SRPs then?
' Wrote:And what about the people who don't like grinding all day? They can't have SRPs then?
If you're not creative to enjoy roleplaying a character over long periods of time and making money with that character, then perhaps SRP is not for you.
Of course, you can always get a week loan for your request, wouldn't that work?
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