SRP discussion!

[Ingenious]

If you want to be "special" than Role play it in game.

How do you roleplay a researcher harvesting nomads for research in a gunboat or something? I suppose you want a Freelancer, Merc, etc. to SRP a Bretonian gunboat, but then the Freelancer could land on unlawful bases, which doesn't make ANY sense. the Freelancer also would not be technically able to attack a nomad player in Iota unless it was in self-defense (like that makes any sense.) You could try to do it with a BAF or even QCP, but then you end up out of your ZOI if you want to harvest nomads for Cambridge. For this situation, the best ID is the Researcher ID, but it doesn't allow gunboats. You say, do it in a kusari explorer with class 5 turrets? No, that doesn't work, it's not strong enough. The best part about this particular example is that the Researcher could never possibly pvpwhore if given his SRP.

[Athenian]

Why risk expanding a faction's abilitys? You might peeve an admin.

And wow, slippery slope fallacy much?

There are clear examples of players agreeing to do one thing and then doing something else and disrupting the fair running of the server by doing that which was not intended when the mod was created.

The Wilde faction is a case in point of a special roleplay that effectively "broke" Discovery. Originally given approval to use 50% rheinland and 50% nomad guns, the faction then went off and did its own thing with turrets on gunboats and caused plenty of grief among players and developers by doing so.

So yes, there are examples of the slippery slope that comes with giving players freedoms for which the mod is not designed to allow (such as the balancing of turrets for scorpion gunboats).

Thinking oneself above the rules that apply to everyone else is a good way to peeve this particular admin.

edit: By which I mean, just because someone says there is a slippery slope does not mean that there isn't one there. This server's problem has always been a two-tiered system that punishes one set of people for stuff that others are allowed to do. Administrators are obliged to ensure work of Discovery Freelancer server and to be fair and treat all players equally, whether they are veterans or new players, whether they are good at roleplaying or not. Rewards for good roleplaying should not be a license to bypass the rules that everyone else must abide by.

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[mwerte]

3: People got jealous. Basically: [i]"Why can he have "X" when I cant have "Y"?

I refuse to be jealous and petty over a video game unreal toy.

I fail to see why we should care if people get jealous. To me that seems like a personal problem and not an admin one. Also, I, and several others, have proposed nicely transparent systems, which have been ignored by the admin team.

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[Decerebrated.Individual]

I gotta admit that right now, I cant really think of a lot of situations where you really need a SRP for RP reasons only.

Can you give some examples?

You can play infected without any nomad equipment or even being in the keepers.

You can play spy/defector without using any equipment that you cant already.

Those too are RPed even more credibly with puretech.

You can RP a transcultural individual (from more than one "origin") without mixing any tech.

You can do all of that, you can be as unique as you want, simply by RPing the personallity.

Unless I am mistaken, but maybe I am, you can use Freelancer IFF with any faction to hide your identity at first glance? (Ima make another thread about this)

All of the the other SRPs... about guns and ships... are in my opinion mostly to get either a PVP advantage, cargo advantage, or simply to show people that you can get stuff that they cant and are therefore "above" them. Or all of them.

The last point is really the point, in my opinion, why there is so much fighting about stuff, and some rather bad attitudes in this community.

In many ways, the ruling system here is focused very strongly on giving more to the "better" people.

Examples are SRPs, white tech cells, invite only factions, faction rights for official factions.

Getting a SRP not only gives you stuff (either for RP, or more likely for PVP), it also tells you and other player that you are one of the "better" people. If you get refused, it tells you that you are one of the less good people.

I think thats really the thing that makes and always will make people fight about it as long as there are still some SRPs left in the game.

If you want to be unique, you can do that simply with your character's personality.

[Daedric]

But you'll notice this contradiction:
Deadric; less arguement, more discussion. You may be saying basically what I'm saying over again, and that's fine, but I'm afraid the manner that you're doing it is not appropriate for this enviorment. I suggest you, as with everyone, to read or atleast skim through the last few pages before coming in here and posting. Make your posts count more and work towards a solution; getting your own solution is secondary to actually achieving a solution that works for the community, and don't you dare say that your solution works for the community because you aren't the community.

Work together, understand eachothers sides, DISCUSS. As for Deadric, I suggest you set an example with a more positive and mature attitude, because regardless of "who you are", this isn't working and if it is I will make sure it wont work.

Thanks, next post I do will be centric on the issue of SRP rather than the issue of a quandary (haha) of the discussors.

Quandry; less arguement, more discussion. I've read the thread in its entirety. As for my manner of discussion, I frankly don't care if you don't think it is appropriate or not. Neither a moderator nor an admin have said a thing to me about it. My posts have been working towards a solution, I'm trying to drive home the point of why there is no current SRP as explained to me by an administrator. I don't have my own solution, nor have I said my suggestion works. I presented it and asked for input.

I have a positive attitude and a mature attitude, regardless of what you think. As for your claims of not working and ensuring it won't work. I've honestly no idea what the heck you are on about. All in all your post was you stating that your feelings over me, which is fully off topic. So do us all a favor and discuss the topic at hand si? If you have issue with me, either talk to an admin, moderator, or PM me. K?

I fail to see why we should care if people get jealous. To me that seems like a personal problem and not an admin one. Also, I, and several others, have proposed nicely transparent systems, which have been ignored by the admin team.

I suggested one, it looks like it was ignored. I contacted and discussed it with Athenian over Skype. The admins haven't ignored the systems that have been proposed, they themselves are trying to figure out a system that meets their requirements and meets the wants of the community.

That said, I think the single best thing we the community need is for each of the admins to voice what they personally want out of a SRP system from an administrator stand point. If we don't know what the administration's requirements for a system are, we can't propose a system that meets those requirements.

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[Kontrazec (Somni)]

That said, I think the single best thing we the community need is for each of the admins to voice what they personally want out of a SRP system from an administrator stand point. If we don't know what the administration's requirements for a system are, we can't propose a system that meets those requirements.

[color=#FFFFFF][font=Agency FB]Agreed. I hereby plea to the admins to share with us common folk what the SRP system requirements would be, and I will try to chem out a system the moment I see the requirements.

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Sucks to be a weight on the wrong side of the brilliance-insanity scale.

[Kontrazec (Somni)]

[color=#FFFFFF]'Fraid I'm gonna have to bump this, it's slowly fading downstream. Please, Admins, read the previous post and indulge me, if you would.

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[Athenian]

[color=#FFFFFF][font=Agency FB]Agreed. I hereby plea to the admins to share with us common folk what the SRP system requirements would be, and I will try to chem out a system the moment I see the requirements.

A system that
1. is not forum based
2. does not result in violation reports and in game rule lawyering
3. prevents players from by-passing mod balance to acquire overpowered load outs for PvP advantage
4. doesn't have a committee judging a standing creative writing competition
5. has no terrorist IDs

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[Jinx]

what about previously approved SRPs that actually do not follow the same guidelines, athenian? - any plans for those, too? - will those stay approved - or shall they be reconsidered.

1. is not forum based
( can t think of any running SRP that is mainly forum based )

2. does not result in violation reports and in game rule lawyering
( not quite sure how to avoid it - cause if its a SRP - it ll be outside the common rules, hence - might result in misunderstandings ... only way to avoid it is to create a new IFF - which says "SRP" )

3. prevents players from by-passing mod balance to acquire overpowered load outs for PvP advantage
( we currently have quite some of those around )

4. doesn't have a committee judging a standing creative writing competition
( well - thats for the admins to decide, not for the community to affect )

5. has no terrorist IDs
( can t really comment on that one - but maybe a terrorist ID might be appropriate. )




what might be added to the SRPs is ... SRP should / might not be permanent but only temporary. - after X amount of time, it is re-evaluated if an SRP is stll required to fulfil the roleplay of the character ( and how active it was anyway ) - many character stories require a SRP at some point of their biography - but do NOT require it later on.

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[Switchback]

A system that
1. is not forum based
2. does not result in violation reports and in game rule lawyering
3. prevents players from by-passing mod balance to acquire overpowered load outs for PvP advantage
4. doesn't have a committee judging a standing creative writing competition
5. has no terrorist IDs

3 does not happen all the time... :\

for example: I have a SRP for a researcher IDed corvo, that was the fruit of many discussions ingame and on the forum.
I have not been rule lawyered yet because of the Researcher IDd corvo, doubt any Rule Violation reports have been filed because of that...

It just depends on the actual request imo.

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