I must disagree. Like I pointed in the other topic about Update 2 - what the hell? Battleship would never take any fighter or bomber down. This is WHAT fighter cover is for. Except for the weaponry in all sci-fi, all is based onto two things: Two Great Wars tactics - The First, and The Second. Leaving the battleship alone without cover would and will be the tactical disadvantage.
You cannot complain about it, since it's all about the tactics. I can agree that gunboats can't do a s**t about fighters and bombers, so those are just underpowered (I tried to shot down the fighters and bombers, but my weps were just too slow to hit anything). The point of gunboat is that this vessels is to hunt down fighters and give additional help to fighters - and of course cover bigger capital ships. Of course, battleships can stand against bombers for a while (like IJN Yamato in Battle for Okinawa), but not for longer period of time without cover.
I disagree with additional coverage for the battleships because it would make all fighters, bombers and gunboats useless. God-damn players, battleships are to fight against huge targets, like bases or other capitals, not fighters and bombers. If those were, destroyers and gunships would just go obsolete.
Please....Battlestar Galactica uses bombers vs Cylon ships. Star Wars battles uses bombers vs Battleships (The Clone Wars period of SW). Hell, even in Star Trek there is some bomber usage even if Star Trek was focused on "Cap vs Cap" to say so. You are talking about "in RL blah blah because blah blah" Stop. Compareing. Fl. To. RL. If you want to compare it with something do it with something that is made up. Just like FL. Compare it to TV shows, other games that use space battles and such. For eg. have you played Sins of a Solar Empire? Have you build those small cariers and mass produce bombers? They eat any capital ship, cruiser and frighters. They are OP. Think at this like this: Battleship=Battleship, Battleship<Cruiser,Cruiser>Battleship, Cruiser=Cruiser, Cruiser>Gunboat, Gunboat=Gunboat, Gunboat>Gunship, Gunship>Bombers / Fighters, Bombers>Cruisers / Battleships, Bomber=Bomber, Fighter=Fighter, Fighter >Bomber. Maybe I missed something or mixed something but at least you get the point.
For all of that say GBs can't kill bombers/fighters. Go get all Solaris guns.
I can take out any bomber most fighters (LFs are harder) and pretty much any GB you send at me in a Rogues gunship with all Solaris guns.
The bigger GB guns are now for fighting GBs, Solaris guns are for snubs (like they were ment to be)
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SAID, IT MATTERS WHAT I MEANT!!!!
(10-06-2013, 06:41 PM)mayu20 Wrote: (...)Stop. Compareing. Fl. To. RL. If you want to compare it with something do it with something that is made up. Just like FL. Compare it to TV shows, other games that use space battles and such. (...)
Ummm... I disagree with that. Most of sci-fi rules of engagement and battles in space (with a few exceptions, like LOGH) is based onto WW2 naval-air tactics. I'm just pointing out this fact. And this is why I am comparing it to the real life, since it is BASED onto real life tactics. Not to mention the fact that ALL titles you have pointed out has their combat based onto WW2 tactics (except the Star Trek, which shows that fighters and bombers would be just obsolete in real space warfare).
Dogfight? WW2. Huge battleships? WW2. Bombers attacking bigger vessels? WW2. If we replace space with water, lasers with bullets, all is left is good old naval tactics that could be used at Midway, Scapa Flow, Atlantic Ocean.
(10-06-2013, 04:40 AM)Tal Wrote: Noob comes around, later I see him in a cap.
Over the next week, I see a couple of blue messages with him on the recieving end.
After that, never see him again.
New dudes shoot rocks like mad and learn nothing about a game. They get frustrated by pirates, but wait... Than they buy a BS, get even more frustrated and leave. Another nail...
They must be picked up by factions before that happened. There they'd learn how this game works. This would solve some things:
1. new dudes would learn early about ships and battle mechanics. And how to enjoy in RP
2. only bad factions would die
3. only bad servers would die
4. only bad players would leave playing
5. not to mention POBs made by mute players...
Factions must offer more. But what? Or maybe freedom of being indy should offer less. Factions might have one or two of that:
- bonus mining bonus or
- bonus sales prices or
- bonus power core or
- more equipment or
- more docking rights or
...
One of that should push them to factions. Game is not perfect and luckily will never be.
(10-06-2013, 06:27 PM)Toji-Haku Wrote: I must disagree...... Of course, battleships can stand against bombers for a while (like IJN Yamato in Battle for Okinawa), but not for longer period of time without cover.
God-damn players, battleships are to fight against huge targets, like bases or other capitals, not fighters and bombers. If those were, destroyers and gunships would just go obsolete.
Very well, i'm a new player, just logged in so simple question and you as Disco Owner or representative who thinks that things should be this way or this way...answer me and explain: Whi should i choose a cap ship to play if as you already said i can do preety much everything in a Snub? what Huge Targets are you refeering to,if you dont mind ? let's say that i am the first who has the chance to buy a cap in this server, whi should i buy it? to kill what? is there anything bigger than it? (forget about POB, have limited ussage and are oriented to 1 category of people and the way were Implemented with the same ease can be Removed) tell me for what targets should i buy that big expensive cap? Nop There are no bigger targets to use them for and you are just telling me that caps is quite ok to be usseless be cause....whi? and i can do that already And more in a snub class of ship...?! just give us a reasonable explanation whi are those mean casp so big, with big cores , powerfull weapons, to kill what? manhattan? Or perhaps it was intended as a RP ship ,it must be that, like a ,,chat chat,,platform,, riiight ! ridiculous.
U like sins of solar empire?
Battleships are just huge beasts, but they can't do much without their fighter cover. Of course, they can fight equally with other capital ships (at most points), but if the other side have even just one bomber - the battleship is just doomed (except the moment when bomber is lead by the unexperienced pilot, like me - yet it might bring more distraction to 1vs1 combat).
If you don't believe me, try battleship vs battleship with one bomber on Conneticut. Okay, let's say that one bomber can't do much (but may leave battleship a bit crippled), three of them is just a problem to lonely, big and slow vessel, even if all bomber pilots are (hope not) just dumb.
Battleships are just huge beasts, but they can't do much without their fighter cover. Of course, they can fight equally with other capital ships (at most points), but if the other side have even just one bomber - the battleship is just doomed (except the moment when bomber is lead by the unexperienced pilot, like me - yet it might bring more distraction to 1vs1 combat).
If you don't believe me, try battleship vs battleship with one bomber on Conneticut.
(what makes you thinks i didn't tryed both already? i did , i'm not amongst the best in any of them at all but surely i'm not the worst)
YOU still didn't answered the question!!! whi 1 BS and a bomber? whi not just 2 bombers since as you already said the BS is inferior to the bomber? So?
Battleships are just huge beasts, but they can't do much without their fighter cover. Of course, they can fight equally with other capital ships (at most points), but if the other side have even just one bomber - the battleship is just doomed (except the moment when bomber is lead by the unexperienced pilot, like me - yet it might bring more distraction to 1vs1 combat).
If you don't believe me, try battleship vs battleship with one bomber on Conneticut.
YOU still didn't answer!!! whi 1 BS and a bomber? whi not just 2 bombers since as you already said the BS is inferior to the bomber? So?
I edited my post up. And I haven't say that ONE bomber may own battleship (but in the experienced hands it may). I just said that battleships has big weapons. Big weapons, which drain a lot of energy and doesn't hit small targets. Bomber will dodge the battleship's guns or even go to a point that player with battleship just can't hit him because of arcs. Battleship can't dodge the torpedoes - just in few cases, with favourable for BS moments.