Well, most lawfuls, I've encountered so far, are thinking much about the blue msgs than the RP.
The most common sentence from them: "Leave the system or... ... ... You've only 10 seconds."
Or you will simply get killed.
I've a question,why is this server,we're playing now,called an RP server?Actually,those lawfuls don't really break any rules,but a bit more RP would be better.
Are those "leave the system pirate or you will be a dead man!" or "you've pirated "someone" so you must be killed" and such sentences suitable RP for the lawfuls?
I feel your pain, however it goes both ways, if you've ever traded or been a miner you'll have encountered a great number of unlawful pirates, with no interest in RP at all. Just lots of credits quickly or indeed looking for Blue Msg's themselves. This isn't a problem specific to one group of players, but all across the board.
(11-11-2013, 08:02 PM)Tutashkha Wrote: Well, most lawfuls, I've encountered so far, are thinking much about the blue msgs than the RP.
The most common sentence from them: "Leave the system or... ... ... You've only 10 seconds."
Or you will simply get killed.
I've a question,why is this server,we're playing now,called an RP server?Actually,those lawfuls don't really break any rules,but a bit more RP would be better.
Are those "leave the system pirate or you will be a dead man!" or "you've pirated "someone" so you must be killed" and such sentences suitable RP for the lawfuls?
Well , I totaly agree with you . I was not realy interested in RP till I got my firts unlawful char . Its a kind of big problem when your "Hel" is outfired by a Rheiny Cruiser just in close , so you dont even have a chance to win .
I wonna apologize before all unlawful's killed by me in unfair fight .
Now I'll pay more attention on my RP and behavior .
More in depth RP -would- in fact, be a better thing to see, and it would also make things more fun.
I say this as somebody who has played lawful characters for a significant amount of time, but also as somebody who has several different unlawful characters as well.
RP interactions, or lack thereof, go both ways, and everyone would benefit if players on either side would step their game up and roleplay more, as opposed to immediately seeking "blue messages"
However, being ordered to leave a system under threat of death, within a short period of time is -not- bad roleplay.
If you've entered a restricted area, or are affiliated with a group hostile to the local law enforcers, or you're in a prohibited ship...you shouldn't expect somebody to be all that nice to you.
You need to remember though, that they aren't being mean to /you/ the player, nor are they as players being bossy to you. Any interactions like that should be taken in-character, and if there's an OOC motivation to it, well then that's just wrong.
I see this as balance problem because the ships/equipment/ammo/dead in PvP are not valuable at all.
Add some real value to the ship/dead in PvP and you would see the people trying to RP their way out without going full guns blazing each time because they are not willing to pay the price for ship/dead in PvP.
"Leave System" is not bad roleplay it is terrible roleplay. It makes no sense from any POV- if you want just to engage the target- well engage it does not make sense to demand it to leave the system, it is poor and stupid excuse to attack someone because he can agree with your demand so you need to engage him anyway making fool of yourself.
If you want to spare the target while removing his offensive capabilities confiscate his ammo, nanobots mines and CDs and everything that he can detach from the ship in space- if the said stuff were really expensive/valuable/not easy to obtain then you won without shooting a single shot.
"Liv system" is plain stupid since if you are clever you would comply and come back 5 min later.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
If you want rp... do not pirate the transport when a whole armada is out to get you.
And if you decide to still go on and pirate the transport when 2 hostile bombers, 1 fighter and a GB are in 1k range, do not expect to get a lot of roleplay afterwards, but to become a blue message fast.
You made up your mind about your rp the moment you opened fire on the transport.
You should know by now that this means you blow up, as a fixed part of my rp.
The funny thing is: People always "I only wanted to rp!" when they know they have no chance of winning or even surviving. Every transport "wants to rp!" when he meets the superior enemy. And in this example today, it was just the other way round.
I acknowledge that it was not the most fulfilling experience we gave you.
But you cannot deny it was logical.
And that you would not have "only rped" with me, if you had caught me alone, as we caught you.
I however feel sorry that you feel bad about it. That's the only part that sucks. So I apologize for making you feel bad, while I cannot apologize much for what happened. But I really do mean the first part seriously.
(11-11-2013, 11:49 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: And that you would not have "only rped" with me, if you had caught me alone, as we caught you.
On the contrary, Tengo often RPs with traders and never even pirates them. It's his char's nature which he has explained to me and I have seen many times ingame. His PvP action normally starts when he is fired upon or he is assisting an "ally" that is engaging in combat or piracy.
I've seen him catch traders many times and just chat, including official IMG| members...
Dunno the situation here, but just standing up for a second as you have clearly cast the wrong light on him with that statement.
Does a police officer stop to have a friendly chat with the known criminal after a lengthy chase through various private properties?
Does the police officer talk about the weather after reading the crook his miranda rights?
RP and PvP are two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other, at least not on this server. If you want hardcore RP, keep it on the forums.
Edit: At least these navy ships are saying "Leave the system" and not "I engage" for just being an unlawful.
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Do remember that at heart, Freelancer is a space shooter, and many play it as such.
I, myself, enjoy a good brawl, but will happily cyber roleplay for a good hour or two if I get a chance.
The thing is, it doesn't always make a lot of sense NOT to shoot. I'm a cop. You're a Rogue. I told you you're under arrest and that you'll come to Sugarland with me. You say "Hell no". At this point, shooting is inevitable.
(11-11-2013, 11:49 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: If you want rp... do not pirate the transport when a whole armada is out to get you.
And if you decide to still go on and pirate the transport when 2 hostile bombers, 1 fighter and a GB are in 1k range, do not expect to get a lot of roleplay afterwards, but to become a blue message fast.
You made up your mind about your rp the moment you opened fire on the transport.
You should know by now that this means you blow up, as a fixed part of my rp.
I agree that every lawful shoots the unlawful who pirates a transport in front of their eyes. But, demanding him/her to return back all the money he/she took from the transport,while you don't even mind ceasing fire just for 5-10 seconds to hear his answer.No pirate is capable of typing and dodge at the same time,at least I'm not.
Here is an example: Pirate encounters transport,and suddenly some lawfuls appear. Pirate starts shooting the transport and demanding money (or anything else) at the same time.If transport asks the pirate to give him/her some time to decide what to do,what is your opinion,should the pirate cease fire?