(07-22-2023, 11:02 PM)Civil Servant Wrote: Potentially for the worst since the Imperialists were very much the authoritarian right-wing feudalist elements that subverted a (extremely corrupt) democratic republic?
To reiterate in short: Imperial Rheinland is not a fascist state just because its players use fascist imagery. It's a trend that predates the coup and the civil war by years. The historic Imperial Rheinland, from before the war, was a pretty swell place to live in as a blue collar worker, given the existence of the powerful unions that transformed into the LWB and the Unioners afters its collapse. There is plenty of reasons for a workers movement to be pro-Imperial in this case, doubly so given it's the Federalists, who caused the emergence of all the unlawful factions Rheinland is currently plagued by, were very much Liberty-tier corporate pawns.
It is a brave effort to sort the mess of the FA and LBW merger. I will keep an eye in Kusari, Taus and Sigmas as they are about to have some petential with you and the Hogosha.
I know of existence of this base, however my original intention was to list bases that would be used in day-to-day basis for intended gameplay purposes. Cape Soya did not made it in due to being located at an edge of honestly not all that useful system for Farmers Alliance in terms of gameplay: a backwater ship sellpoint more than anything else. Nonetheless if it bothers people, Cape Soya will be included into v2 draft. Re: Kartoffel
I agree. Re: Gaians
I left them out due to insufficient information I got on this. I figured someone would bring this up if its important. I do not know of any connection between LWB, original FA and the Gaians beyond the fact that Gaians are/were friends of Hogosha. While they are nature and ecology themed, they are also so far beyond our ZoI we would practically never meet. I would appreciate any links as well as rundown of how FA and Gaian relationship should look and work like, as well as where would they fit into the diplomacy sheet. Are they our ideologically inspired arms supplier given there are 100% techcells? I am more than happy to try working in ancient treaties/agreements if possible. Re: "real lIfe politics"
I use "left" and "right" because it can still get a sample idea and point across what we're on about. It seems this terminology appears to be only a problem for minority, so it is staying for the time being. I think that my example of how LWB draws from "seemingly" different sides that some people would consider incompatible proves this faction is more than just copying certain real life economical systems, little red books and ideologies in general with no deeper thought behind it. To address certain now-deleted and off-topic messages: this is the only statement you are getting, further such concerns will be ignored (if mods dont get to them first). Certain people may had been bringing uncomfortable imagery and fantasies over the time, they know who they are and this precedence predates Imperial Rheinland. Imperial Rheinland in itself is not fascist as far I am aware. Chancelor Niemann was as 'tasteful' as it gets allusion to Certain References and Historical Events. We do not need another and I believe devs and admins will step in as necessary. Personally I do not believe they are as harsh and thorough as they should be, but I judge their policing to be net positive change and they have my personal thanks. Re: Imperial Rheinland
Imperial Rheinland was surely a good place to be at, but it was more than a hundred years ago and may not necessarily apply to the second coming of Kaizers. Synth Foods still has primary stake in Stuttgart. They're not paying reparations and reverting the damage caused by Synth to reinvigorate domestic food production. Unless proven otherwise, *CURRENT* Imperials are no different than Federalists. This FA will view them not as liberators, but as "change of management". We will adapt somehow in future as story develops, but I know nothing of plans concerning Rheinland at large.
(07-22-2023, 10:55 PM)TheSauron Wrote: I applaud your attempt at making sense of the faction merger, it's actually pretty decent...
Sir, I am afraid I do not want to settle down on just 'decent'. If you have critique or a tip, I will do my best to address it if its within my scope. I never had LWB or FA character before, so I will gladly take advice from those who did.
(07-22-2023, 11:18 PM)LaWey Wrote: Nuisance section look like an interesting approach. On practice its non-shoot as far they don't interrupt?Or something more complicated?
Complicated. We do not necessarily hate those people in roleplay and we may not neccesarily hunt them because we hate them (INRP'ly). Ideally, we would leave them be, try to recruit them, or shove our propaganda unto them in hopes that their organization or part of it is redeemable. Case and point, original Farmers Alliance are only hostile to Blood Dragons because of Samura executives bankrolling entire operation. Blood Dragons may view FA as pawns of their greatest enemy and they would be right. Farmers would shoot Blood Dragon because Samura said they are bad people. This iteration of FA however wants to play out with more emphasis on the following rumor found in Kagoshima.
"Some people say that we are just puppets of Samura. It is true that Samura financially supports our cause, and tells us whom and where to strike next. But we still can decide for ourselves if we want to continue doing this. We are all volunteers to the cause." - Yuji Ishii, Farmers Alliance
(07-22-2023, 11:02 PM)Civil Servant Wrote: You would have figured the Unioners history within Rheinland being of concern to the LWB sect of the farmers alliance. Please don't gas your own supporting demographic.
We are not Unioners and we may not neccesarily agree with everything they do or have done. We do hwoever consider them to be ample potential recruitment pool and the only faction in Rheinland that accepts us with open arms. Consider the rephacks: we are hostile to Bundschuh, Red Hessians - all good pals of ye olde LWB - and Junkers. I would love to dispute some of those rephacks in future, but at the moment I have to take what I am given. I do not view Sirius as binary "You are shooting Outcasts therefore you must be extremely intimate with Corsairs" and "you smuggle for Hessians, therefore are Corsairs number 1 enemy" mentality.
(07-22-2023, 11:02 PM)Civil Servant Wrote: I think it be more interesting seeing a shift to more revolutionary groups for alliegencies and seeing a clear divide from piracy and criminally aggressive groups since what you want to focus on political and social economic improvements to the civilians of Rheinland. Nice to see a faction that fights for the support of a regions populace instead of power, territory or money. Rheinland is needing a little jumpstart as it was only one of the few houses where its unlawful factions all bloomed from left-wing revolutionary backgrounds. Some went astray for ill-gotten-gains, while others stayed true to the effort of a revolution.
Its not so clear day and night cut. We need to disregard law in more ways than one if we want to sustain ourselves. Especially if we want to reduce reliance on Samura. Revolution eats its own children sometimes, and rebels are not always good people.
(07-22-2023, 11:02 PM)Civil Servant Wrote: Also i suggest working in something about the Civil War...
Please refer to RE: Real Life Politics and Imperial Rheinland.
Important!
Thank you for your feedback, it will be incorporated into V2 version of the draw. Atm its just two like minded people, and we will open recruitment as soon as we are sure our group has solid background and solid base to move on from. I do however want to ask for something in particular. I am not entirely satisfied with ranking system. I am torn between adopting full-on 'English' ranking structure that clearly states who does what and more flavorful ranks representing influences and history of the two Houses. Gefreiter is such a beautiful and unique rank present only in German language nations (and Russia out of all places, but I digress) and Ashigaru is such another beautiful word with ties to Farmer-kind. I would like your own takes on it and suggestions.
(07-23-2023, 05:19 PM)Farmers International Wrote: Re: Gaians
I left them out due to insufficient information I got on this. I figured someone would bring this up if its important. I do not know of any connection between LWB, original FA and the Gaians beyond the fact that Gaians are/were friends of Hogosha. While they are nature and ecology themed, they are also so far beyond our ZoI we would practically never meet. I would appreciate any links as well as rundown of how FA and Gaian relationship should look and work like, as well as where would they fit into the diplomacy sheet. Are they our ideologically inspired arms supplier given there are 100% techcells? I am more than happy to try working in ancient treaties/agreements if possible.
There are no links that I can personally provide as, for pretty much as long as I've been around, there was no real Farmers' Alliance presence in Discovery. The relationship dates all the way back to the Tau War, where the Hogosha/Alliance/Gaians trifecta worked as mercenaries for the KNF (hence the good relations between Gaians and Imperial Kusari in general), but that is from well before my time. The alliance between FA and Gaians is one of those things that kind of just was there because one of the sides simply did not exist. What few times we did come into contact, the old Tau War alliances were still being honoured, and we would work as close knit allies, based on prior work together, shared allies in Hogosha and Corsairs, and ideological similarities. The techcells reflect that close alliance as well.
As for the LWB, the relationship was more cordial than allied, given LWB's anti-Corsair and pro-Hessian diplomacy, and ours being the opposite. However, when the LWB disintegrated, the Gaians did provide supplies and refuge to the Greifswald flotilla more or less free of charge until the LWB was able to reform itself a few years later. I'd like to think that counts for something.
(07-23-2023, 05:19 PM)Farmers International Wrote:
(07-22-2023, 10:55 PM)TheSauron Wrote: I applaud your attempt at making sense of the faction merger, it's actually pretty decent...
Sir, I am afraid I do not want to settle down on just 'decent'. If you have critique or a tip, I will do my best to address it if its within my scope. I never had LWB or FA character before, so I will gladly take advice from those who did.
The biggest critique I can give you is that you are working off an inherently nonsensical foundation, that being the FA/LWB merger. The writeup is good given what it has to work with, but it is also being brought down by what it has to work with. I don't think one can make a proper good Alliance writeup without the canon lore being fixed, or without simply limiting themselves to playing just Farmers Alliance or just LWB.
But besides that, one nitpick I do have is that Kusari was not forced to allow Synth because of their Hokkaido operations. It was simply a mixture of government lobbying and Samura's uncompetitively high food prices once trade lanes and jump gates made Synth products easily accessible. It is why Farmers Alliance has a heavy dislike of Liberty and its influence, not just Synth itself.