Deaths in Combat

[Nightfall]

The original premise was to give a fighting chance for fighters against battleships.

Why?

--- Shield/Hull
Osiris Battleship (the smallest armor value):
hull: 340,000 x 3 (MKVII Capship Armor) = 1,020,000; shield: 460,000

Sabre (one of the higher armored ones)
hull: 11,200 x 2.5 (MKVIII Fighter Armor) = 28,000; shield: 11,038


--- Weapons
Sabre:
Range: 700
Proj. Speed: 600m/s
Hull-Damage: 635.00 = 1,270 per second x 4 = 5080; Shield-Damage: 317.50 = 635 per second x 4 = 2540


Osiris Battleship:
Secondary BS Turret
Range: 2,102
Proj. Speed: 1222m/s
Hull-Damage: 980.00 = 1,960 per second x 10 = 19,600; Shield-Damage: 490.00 = 980 per second x 9,800


A battleship will drop a Sabre's shield in 2-3 shots and another 3 - 4 shots for the hull. A lone Sabre doesn't have a chance to even scratch the BS's shields. 3 Sabres with Infernos stand a fair chance at destroying a BS if they are extremely well flown.

Multiply all the numbers by 2 - 3 because everyone is going to use bots and batts.

I'm not even taking missiles or flak into account here, if the BS has those, then the fighters are going to be shredded to pieces.

The same goes for cruisers.

We have a lot of problems here, mainly capship whoring. But...


Example:

3 fighters against a fighter and a gunboat, with the current rule, the 3 fighters would have 9 lives together and the gunboat+fighter woul'd have only one life each. They'd have to fend off 9 fighters actually. They are going to have an extremely hard time. But they will not face them more than 3 at a time.

The Gunboat itself is a hard one to destroy.

So, what I see as a solution is that the capships (BS, FR, CR, GB) should loose the regen capability (no batts/bots for them, or 100 of them for a BS/FR, 75 for CR and 50 for a gunboat [enough for covering NPCs firing randomly]) and we have a 1 death rule for all, no complications and no flames.

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[Denelo]

Hmm... very good idea. I voted low b/b for caps and 1 death for all.

[fwolf]

We can put three deaths for fighters, no matter if they are going against capships or not.

In this way, the fighter in the situation described will have more chance against the other three fighters.

[DBoy1612]

Hmm, all options fixes problems, but then cause more problems...

1 Death rule: The capship whore era will come back.

3 Death Rule VS Capships: We get what we are getting now...

Bots/Bats Lower on Caps: Well, this one is interesting. It will give the Fighters more of a chance.. Might work.

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

I too have voted for the third option. Capital ship owners, me included, will have to think a little longer and
harder before throwing money at a fight. History is littered with Battleships thinking they were invincible
during conflicts, the bottom of the oceans can attest to this.
The bomber and torpedo craft changed the face of that type of warefare for ever.
Sorry I think there are no problems with three, there arn't little rules that can be 'interpreted'. Straight fight,
you die you are out.

Hoodlum

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[Panzer]

Both hands on number three

Most interesting and least "overinterpretable" option.

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[Doom]

1 Death rule: The capship whore era will come back.

3 Death Rule VS Capships: We get what we are getting now...

Bots/Bats Lower on Caps: Bomber/GB era will be back...

[Exile]

I acidently voted the first option, my mouse moved mad:wacko: ( it does that -_-')
But, the third would be better.
same explanation as hoodlum here.

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[Eppy]

I feel that we cannot restrict the capship batts/bots; that's just unrealistic. Damage Control is better on the Death Star than Luke's X-wing. We can, however, restrict a battleship to one death (Did YOU see the Hood rise out of the water after Bismarck did her thing? Didn't think so), while giving the fighters three. After all, a Battleship would most likely have at least a dozen fighters on board, (In Star Wars, the smallest battleships [class name {snort} Dreadnaught] had a wing of twelve fighters. Ours are just a tad larger, methinks) And since nobody has twelve fighters as escorts (Yes, we WISH the server could handle that), we just let the fighters come back to compensate. No dropping on the Capships any further, or they dissapear, and Disco's membership dives.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[supernova]

I voted for #1. Reason bein we should just keep it how it is, 1 death rule for ALL. No need to lower bots an bats of capships..that would just be silly.