' Wrote:...yet sometimes it takes literally ages for them to approve or reject anything...
You complain about the approval process of tech requests. I am one of the people who handles them. While I didn't ask for that responsibility I have taken it up and done as the admins have asked of us (faction leaders). Sorry if I got a tad pissy when someone complains that I am not sitting behind a wall of applications but instead playing the game or actually living life.
Yes, some people who want to RP actually post, but people that just want the ship also post. I still have to wade through their applications, even if I think they are stupid.
Its also extremely funny that you bash me for being hostile to you, yet flame me subtly in return. Guess some people are like that, no?
The tech request change wasn't done to hurt rule breakers. It was done, in my eyes, to promote RP.
Instead of writing a story that might make no sense at all and then flying around in your Zoner gunboat. You know have to make contact with Zoners and work out a deal with us. If you actually bothered to ask around or notice my posts; I am very open to working with people ooRP to help them further their RP goals.
There are plenty of players who played Zoner characters long before I got here, I don't give a rats ass if they did or didn't unless they have earned my respect. IE: Doc. Dab. Jinx. Mal. Blue. Lou. Charles.......just to name a handful.
' Wrote:It seems these days that we are moving away from roleplay and towards ruleplay.
Sure because posting a story so you can have a ship (not matter how utterly rubbish the story is) was promoting role play.
The rule change regarding white cells promotes role play. It promotes interactions. Problem many of you have with it is, you can't be instantly gratified by getting the tech right now. Same problem many people in real life face.
well, i have to say - essentially i do agree with asking for a piece of equipment when you wish to use it - if you re not part of the faction.
thats not the part i disagree with at all. - however, i consider it basic ( <-- ) courtesy to ask. people that fail to do so - might also fail with basic courtesy in real life, cause it shows that they have no concept of basic social interaction. - when you take something that isn t yours ... you ask the owner, you do it in RL and you ought to do it in a virtual world, too - especially there, cause in such a game, there are a lot less means of interaction possible ( the only way to interact often is the written word - in RL, there are many more ways to interact, like eye contact, mimics etc. )
what i do not agree with however is how its being enforced. - in-RP / in-game consequnces ... bounties on ones head, headhunting parties etc. thats all perfeclty fine! - having an ooRP authority place someone in a closed system, totally embarrassing that player ( and not the character ) is wrong imo.
good roleplay comes voluntarily from within. - forced roleplay is only a fascade - and will never reach the same intuitive quality of voluntary RP. forcing someone to write something may cause them to write "something" - but what you get might just barely fulfil the needs. - and personally, i rather have 1 request that comes from within than 10 requests that just do it so they don t get sanctioned.
leaves the question if having both is the way to go. - but then - what does a person learn when he was placed in bastille? - maybe to fulfil the minimum needs next time?
' Wrote:what i do not agree with however is how its being enforced. - in-RP / in-game consequnces ... bounties on ones head, headhunting parties etc. thats all perfeclty fine! - having an ooRP authority place someone in a closed system, totally embarrassing that player ( and not the character ) is wrong imo.
Some factions seek ooRP fixes, others don't. GMG does it exactly how I think it should be done and if the ZA was ever put in a position to do such things, I hope we would act in the exact same manner.
GMG simply bounties you if you break their rules and leave it at that.
Some other factions have followed suit, but they go further.
They bounty you, and when you get destroyed they request the admins to remove the ship or guns. Which makes sense inRP.
Falls back to some people filing sanctions because it is their goal.
Of course when you try to offend and flame people when they are being polite, you get a bit of poking back.
Not the point tho. Even tho I stated it several times, you don't have to treat me like someone who posted request and was rejected... I am not anything like that. That statement about being around longer was just to clarify that I am well aware of Zoners as well, and of present and past problems too. Also I don't know why you keep repeating "just crappy story" all over, noone except for you mentioned it. Rather don't react on this, or we'll get into "never ending circle".
The misunderstanding... I am not for making anything easy to obtain, hell I would restrict it more, just use other ways, again, more RP less "Or u get banned according to rule 17.9, part 7, paragraph 219, line 6!". And calling in admins when someone buys a ship without the request, well, I call that mad. You say that Disco WAS PvP server, now it's nice RP, I say exact opposite. Sure, there were jerks, there are jerks and without a doubt, always will be. But they are everywhere, not in majority, thankfully. Maybe in past, because it was more "Free for all" more people were flying "wrong" ships, or nonsential setups, but overall, there was more RP ingame. It's freakin hard to have "random" RP nowdays. Wasn't so before. Most of people seem to think RP = Say "hi" when you meet any other player, don't use words "Player, game and PvP" and talk about football only via PMs. Someone just runs around and looks for a fight, for one reason or another. It's great after all, RP exists to make PvP more enjoyable, as people nowdays say *facepalm*
It's just making several rules "to help" RP while restricting it greatly isn't a good way. As I told, most of the problematic people don't care about the rules anyway.
I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.
You weren't being polite. You were bitching about something without taking into consideration why it is done that way.
I didn't say it wasn't expected for you to react in a similar manner. I said it was quite funny you bashed me for acting in that manner, then did it yourself. Hypocrite is the term for that.
Quote:Also I don't know why you keep repeating "just crappy story" all over, noone except for you mentioned it. Rather don't react on this, or we'll get into "never ending circle".
I keep repeating it because people seem to think the change was only done to hurt rule breakers. It was done because the previous method didn't promote RP.
You could post a simply story (good or bad) then freely take the tech and be on your merry way. There was no interaction, no consideration for if it might cause the owner of the tech headaches in RP that they really shouldn't have had to deal with, etc etc.
I agree with you on the how it is enforced. I've said that before and I'll stick to it.
We've had our epeen measuring contest and our bitchfest between us. Lets let go of it now, shall we?
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You see, my problem is that I'm being naive or perhaps stupid, that I expect similar RP experience as in tabletop D&D, Ultima or Neverwinter Nights. Of course D&D is pure RP, so that's a bit off, but Ultima and Nvervinter, those are computer games as well, people there used common sense much more, and even without any rules at all, you encountered "bad" people rarely. I wonder, maybe it's just that it was 5-10 years ago, and it wasn't all so poplar, "playerbase" was much older in general ( However, I'm not saying young = bad RP. It's just that older peole tend to think more, having what we call "common sense") so only people really interested in it played it. I really don't know. And genre of the game, well, I would say that when it has "open" world, you can RP. So I think Freelancer isn't much worse than anything else. Even better than much, since even the vanilla version had large background story and "atmosphere".
And again, being naive, I say fight bad RP with a good one, rather than sanctions. Of course, it only hurts more, when you spend a hour giving hints to someone and trying to guide them the right way, and the next day you see them doing something stupid, and surely not RP.
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*sigh*
I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.
Won't disagree with a word you said there. I rather enjoyed my times in those games.
I think a problem that presents itself with Disco is this: Freelancer is a PvP game. It was designed as a PvP game. It was not set up to be an RP game. Disco is striving to address that issue.