The thing is, I'm not quite sure how to interact with the Garda, as I said in my description post:
Quote:If multiple mollys tax, the price goes up, but the increase is divided by the number of extra mollys, so;
If 2 mollys tax you, you pay the normal tax, plus the normal tax divided by 2.
If three mollys tax you, you pay the normal tax, plus the normal tax divided by 2, plus the normal tax divided by 3, ect.
Thats how I usually interact with other mollys, (usually indies seeing as the official factions seem to consist solely of Dara about once a week) wether I'm the one who taxed first or arrived to find an already taxed miner,
cos either way, I dont want to be pissed off to see/hear about another molly, I want to be happy to see them, and vice versa.
But, we both agree to protect the miners, which I'm UNSURE about where the garda stands on that, seeing as you said;
Quote:Thats not to say that we don't have characters that don't protect miners, its just that we can't really do it on [Garda] chars.
and also:
Quote:of course, we'll jump in and assist wherever needed
(VHF and LF as long as they are advanced are fine, seeing as nothing bigger than a gunboat will be pirating miners)
If the first case is true, then I dont see what the Garda brings to dublin, in effect theyr just as bad as pirates (though cheap ones) by taking and giving nothing back, something which I like to think the mollys are slightly above.
Meaning I would have to basically ignore the garda tax, continue taxing as usual, and wait (a LONG time) for official judgement on them.
If the 2nd quote is true, then is it cool if I treat with garda players the same way as I described at the top?
Thanks.
Also, see my reply in that vps com
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1 mill isnt enough to keep ships in the air. piracy doesnt make anyone rich; sure you can have good days, but then you have bad days, when 445224395723849562894765 mercs come sweeping down on you. Atm, this clan is haemorrhaging money hand over fist, and if i get a day to play, i have to spend half of it powertrading to support an unhealthy amount of nuc mines. its a wonder that dublin doesnt glow in the dark the number these boys can get through.
the role of the Garda is merely a caretaker. I'm trying to hold dublin together, so that mollies can pirate, corsairs can raid, img can mine and BMM can be told gtfo (im joking!). Im trying to return dublin back to disco, to re-establish RP there.
Before the cease fire, I had lawful Bret chars, and i'd get my ass handed to me by a molly char in PVP. and they'd stalk off to dublin, RPing all the way. The cease fire means that the raison d'etre of the faction died, and dragged activity into the grave.
This opened up the system to anarchy, which means that IMG capitals, BAF capitals, corsair capitals started treating it as their sandbox, and it became a bloody dangerous place to be.
At the moment, all im trying to do is get miners used to the idea that mining in dublin will cost a mill to keep the mollies sweet. If i can get it to be established practice, then I will have a powerbase to work from, and then we can see about crashing the Essex into the asteroid field around Graves, and moving the Molly destroyer somewheres around dublin, perhaps off the plane a bit to avoid NPC patrols - we dont want peeps picking up spare cruiser captains with out any effort at all.
What I dont want to do is ruin your fun. Here you can see that I defended your char to the hilt, and would do so again. The garda - and you've flown with my char - are more than willing to assist in the collection of taxes and fees. if you could make it clear to the miner that the amount charged = tax + work visa, and then sling the Garda the mill, that'd be kewl.
If the Garda become the numero uno miner protector faction, then
1. it means that there is no room for indy molly piracy any more.
2. the non-molly pirates will just line up to gank the garda, and then the faction will die.
the solution is simples: Visas are not 'pirate protection payments'; you can pay a defender of dublin for that. now, some people might call a defender of dublin a pirate, but that name calling is merely gratuitous verbal abuse from propagandists.
tl:dr
the Garda should stick to their knitting, and so you can stick to yours. they wont stop you pirating, if you want to group with them to collect fees at the same time, thats cool, and they'll lend a hand to evict undesirables. They answer directly to Molly Council Players, like Linkus' or Stoats' chars. but outside of that, this is a new area of RP, puhlice in dubbie? huh? basically, ive not written the rule book here, so whatever system works is obviously the one i intended!
OK, so what I THINK your saying, is that GARDA is a new type of molly, who pirates and fights sairs like the rest of us, but doesnt fight sairs/pirates specifically to protect miners.
The thing thats confusing is the contradictions, you say on the one hand that your the molly police in dublin, but if so, surley that would make you protect miners even MORE than me?
But if you do want to pirate and just fight sairs, then:
1: I can respect that (its your RP) and of course I can work with you, in fighting generic molly enemies (and annoying vigilantes, heh heh heh) but I cant work with you tax-wise, as my taxes both vary - discounts for paying in advance ect.
And promise miner protection (which has caused much easier collection from miners, so much so that I HAVE become very rich from pirating, my cap6 scylla was bought entirely with creds made on my molly chars)
Whereas yours does not.
So I went for a walk and thought about it, at first I thought it was unfair because your stable taxing would interfere with my miner protection, but then I decided that seeing as you only charge 1 mill, and it covers all the garda, youd probs actually be taxing less than another indie following my scheme, so:
I think its best if we just leave each others taxes alone, you tax your way, I wont interfere (though I suppose miners will grumble to me, but they always do!)
I'll tax my way and you dont interfere (ditto)
2: Would you also fight indie pirates? Or would you leave that up to folks like me?
Now, regarding the RP, Ceasifre, and work visa:
Are you doing this 1 mill flat rate thing, because you think it is legal under the ceasefire?
Because I assure you its not, in fact the armistace has been violated repeatedly by both sides more times than I can count,
Practically; it doesn't exist, its just a convenience for when an enemy worse e.g: KNF or sair turns up, and Molly/BAF can ally against them, and serves to make both sides less trigger happy, and mollys charge less (Or I charge less a least)
Some mollys seem to think that under the armistace they are entitled to collect mining tax/work visa -whatever, they are not, the people who said they could do this was the molly seps, the brets said straight away, no, it is not allowed.
So the Garda is just as illegal TO THE BRETS as I am.
Of course IN RP I claim I'm allowed to collect taxes, and some brets agree when they dont want to fight.
You say that with the bret ceasfire, molly activity dropped off, prehaps, certainly the official factions are nowhere to be found, just like the UOG and the MR was, and they had a ceasfire too.
But I havnt seen it reducing the number of molly indies (of which I'v always been a proud member, and have outlasted 3 official factions so far!)
And molly indies have always been taxing BMM, so what do you mean by you're getting them used to it?
As for your RP ideas regarding the essex, well, could happen, but its up to Igliss, so I dunno
Basically I'm just glad to see more mollys, and I think we should get a Molly skype chat, I know you have one for garda work permits, but im talkin just a general molly chat (not spam, but not strict emergency either)
where we can call for help, discuss molly stuff ect.
Ok
Cheers
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' Wrote:But I havnt seen it reducing the number of molly indies (of which I'v always been a proud member, and have outlasted 3 official factions so far!)
Orly?
Inm any case, Molly RP is stagnating or even decreasing could be because of the simple fact that just as others have said, the cease fire with the Bretonian Government removes the actual goal of the Molly NPC faction.
Just fighting Corsairs and the occasional KNF or whatevs isn't always enough for the Molly players to maintain a activity ingame.
This produces a interesting query for further thought, how can the Molly RP evolve and gain a new goal, something for the official faction (factions in this case) to maintain a ingame activity?
Maybe if now they gotten their independence (lets say they have) what now?
Wage war, trading, what?
I had a Indie Molly for 1 week, got so bored off it I stopped playing him.. It's ashame, I like the Molly faction, it's character so to say.
Let's just hope something happens to change it for the Molly's..
' Wrote:I'll tax my way and you dont interfere (ditto)
yes this is what i have been saying all along
' Wrote:2: Would you also fight indie pirates? Or would you leave that up to folks like me?
all those not permitted to tax in dublin, including corsairs, and indy outcasts who cant take a hint. The injuns are a special case, as they dock on a molly base in newcastle, but they need to learn some respect for mollies in general. watch this space.
' Wrote:Are you doing this 1 mill flat rate thing, because you think it is legal under the ceasefire?
Because I assure you its not, in fact the armistace has been violated repeatedly by both sides more times than I can count, Practically; it doesn't exist, its just a convenience for when an enemy worse e.g: KNF or sair turns up, and Molly/BAF can ally against them, and serves to make both sides less trigger happy, and mollys charge less (Or I charge less a least)Some mollys seem to think that under the armistace they are entitled to collect mining tax/work visa -whatever, they are not, the people who said they could do this was the molly seps, the brets said straight away, no, it is not allowed.
So the Garda is just as illegal TO THE BRETS as I am.
Of course IN RP I claim I'm allowed to collect taxes, and some brets agree when they dont want to fight.
You say that with the bret ceasfire, molly activity dropped off, prehaps, certainly the official factions are nowhere to be found, just like the UOG and the MR was, and they had a ceasfire too.
But I havnt seen it reducing the number of molly indies (of which I'v always been a proud member, and have outlasted 3 official factions so far!)
And molly indies have always been taxing BMM, so what do you mean by you're getting them used to it?
As for your RP ideas regarding the essex, well, could happen, but its up to Igliss, so I dunno
Basically I'm just glad to see more mollys, and I think we should get a Molly skype chat, I know you have one for garda work permits, but im talkin just a general molly chat (not spam, but not strict emergency either)
where we can call for help, discuss molly stuff ect.
dont you read bhoy??!! im doing this cos i want some RP in dublin. Armistice be buggered. the armistice is supposed to exclude capitals from dubbie, but that doesnt work. the armistice carries as much weight as second-hand toilet paper. but thats not the point. when i set up the garda, there were bloody few mollies, and more lolwut pirates and IMG caps. img caps leave system or i break out my barghest.
the reason i am doing all this is so that the garda annoy the baf, and that gives an rp background for docking on the essex and slamming it into the graves asteroid field, and then the molly destroyer can be inserted into dublin.
you have not been here long enough to know what we miss. the MR used to be a dominant faction in dublin, and there were very few non-molly pirates there. when the mr collapsed, this created a power vacuum, and vacuums suck up all sorts of dirt. so what im trying to do is create a faction that fills a void, WITHOUT CRAMPING ANYONE ELSES STYLE, MR, MS, Feegles, La Tene, Indies, BMM, IMG included. mmkay?
' Wrote:"Joined: 9-January 10" Orly?
Inm any case, Molly RP is stagnating or even decreasing could be because of the simple fact that just as others have said, the cease fire with the Bretonian Government removes the actual goal of the Molly NPC faction.Just fighting Corsairs and the occasional KNF or whatevs isn't always enough for the Molly players to maintain a activity ingame.This produces a interesting query for further thought, how can the Molly RP evolve and gain a new goal, something for the official faction (factions in this case) to maintain a ingame activity?
Maybe if now they gotten their independence (lets say they have) what now?
Wage war, trading, what?
I had a Indie Molly for 1 week, got so bored off it I stopped playing him.. It's ashame, I like the Molly faction, it's character so to say.
Let's just hope something happens to change it for the Molly's..
molly's, if given independence would need a role more akin to the hogosha than the xenos. they would no longer be terrorists, but, inside the tent pissing out.
molly miners, molly traders, molly arms dealers, molly shipyards, etc etc. the possibilities are endless. mollies could even drive down into the omegas and start mixing it up with the hessians and the corsairs.
' Wrote:The injuns are a special case, as they dock on a molly base in newcastle, but they need to learn some respect for mollies in general. watch this space.
Roight, dis needs te be sorted, an' sorted roight now. The Indians are no te be dockin' on ANY Molly base in any system. Dey has attacked an' harried the Mollies fer far te bleedin' long fer dem te 'ave the sloightest feckin' chance o' landin' on wun o' our bases. If yer tinkin' o' makin' a deal wi' dem, den ye'd bes' shoot me an' the rest o' the Separatists in our heads roight now, cuz ye'll 'ave us after ye, an' no bleedin' mistake.
If ye sees dem landin' onna Molly base, ye calls the Molly Council immediately. An' if ye've been 'earin' diff'rent frum a Molly, den oi want te be knowin' 'is name, eh. An' it'll no be fer a friendly visit, o' dat ye kin be shure.
You can accomplish more with a kind word and a shillelagh than you can with just a kind word
I had a Indie Molly for 1 week, got so bored off it I stopped playing him
Let's just hope something happens to change it for the Molly's..
Mollies can change their own politics, we don't need outsiders. (Devs can write infocards, but players play.)
The Mollies are currently at a peak of activity, with a rather hefty number of players scattered through timezones. We aren't Corsairs, sure, we're Mollys. We chose the underdog.
Is my start date better for you, Serpentis? Are my comments now valuable?
' Wrote:Mollies can change their own politics, we don't need outsiders. (Devs can write infocards, but players play.)
The Mollies are currently at a peak of activity, with a rather hefty number of players scattered through timezones. We aren't Corsairs, sure, we're Mollys. We chose the underdog.
Is my start date better for you, Serpentis? Are my comments now valuable?
That was a rather smarty comment dude, I simply meant that I didnt belive HIM that joined 10 have and I quote:
Quote:But I havnt seen it reducing the number of molly indies (of which I'v always been a proud member, and have outlasted 3 official factions so far!)
And I was speaking from my point of view, if Molly activity is far better then before then awesome, I always enjoyed RPing with Molly's.
' Wrote:That was a rather smarty comment dude, I simply meant that I didnt belive HIM that joined 10 have and I quote:
And I was speaking from my point of view, if Molly activity is far better then before then awesome, I always enjoyed RPing with Molly's.
Next time, don't be a *** thanks
I reserve the right to dislike you.
Just finished some stuff in the land of the real so I should be on a little more, Coin. Were you the Garda I saw the other day, and who randomly vanished mid conversation?