Making any Zoner pseudo government work takes a ton of work.
Not to mention having anything like that in role play translates into everyone thinking we are all one group. Meaning if one group pisses someone off, it translates over to the rest of the members of the pseudo government. Which isn't something any of the Zoner factions like.
That actually leaves space for another Zoner official faction. Each region also presents a specific set of challenges which each faction could deal with, as well as a good deal of overlap.
I think you're just having your civil war late, like we did.
The ZA did divide things up by region. Before I left we began that. If something happened at Freeport 9, both TAZ and OSI kept silent and let ZTC handle it. If something happened at a TAZ port, ZTC and OSI stayed silent. It was like that when I left. Did that change?
McNeo: 99% of what you've mentioned has already happened. Skype chat. Base divisions. Etc.
Reason why ZA and CoZ keep failing is due to OORP grudges combined with inability to deal with stressful situations. Which is why I generally speaking run away from threads with the words "Zoner" in them.
Edit: But as somebody who's been around since the Council's early days, I can say that if players were capable of withstanding the idea that their Zoner characters are getting shot at, CoZ would still be around. Most Zoner players, for one reason or another, run into a complete state of panic when someone points a gun at them. I am not judging them here. This is just an observation.
' Wrote:For the sole purpose of education in terms of lore mechanics, I can tell you there's a very easy answer. If Corsairs were spread as widely as Zoners, there would be similar issues. Consider the fact that Corsairs also had a few small issues making the Council of Elders work. And this is while Corsairs have a single centralized Capitol (Crete). Now imagine on top of that, if Benitez was based from Baffin and Black Sails based from Liberty.
Not that this has anything to do with the topic itself but I thought you should be informed.
im not saying that the corsair method is perfect. but the benefits outweigh the detractions.
maybe the fact that you are soooo spread out is causing half the problems?
' Wrote:Making any Zoner pseudo government work takes a ton of work.
Not to mention having anything like that in role play translates into everyone thinking we are all one group. Meaning if one group pisses someone off, it translates over to the rest of the members of the pseudo government. Which isn't something any of the Zoner factions like.
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'for the purposes of server rules, the zoners are one people and must roleplay as such'
zoners having a civil war?
perhaps the omicroners should rp a war of independance, and THEN be granted an unique id.
but, they need someone to fight against. fighting corsairs doesnt cut it. they tried and died. fp9 was blockaded, and you don't wanna step toe-to-toe with a group of people who fight all day everyday. yes, i know that even zoners have alt chars, but the fact is that zoners rarely see pvp action on their zoner characters, and will not know little tricks like the 'titan turn' etc.
omicroners to be individualised? reform the ZA/form some kind of representative govt, have a bit of a scrap, get things settled and we (corsairs) can go back to pushing you (zoners) around mmkay? having you push back is really disturbing!
if the omicroners do go it completely alone, they will be a far smaller faction than they would be if they were part of a consortium of zoners. if they are smaller, their 'pushing the corsairs back' power-base is smaller, and we'll just end up with another fp9 scenario again.
a zoner-zoner war? RP goodness, and the rest of us get to watch.
Zoners cannot go to war unless it is in self defense. TAZ and OSI are not attacking the Omicroners, hence there will be no war. The only way that war might happen is if all of the encrypted channels by Stygian are revealed. But even then, the most that may happen is an economical / political war. No real pew pew -- unless OSI decides to supply Corsairs ammunition and get caught.
' Wrote:agreed with the 'reforming the council' part, but....
if we start handing out id's like sweeties, all we will be doing is rewarding bad behaviour. you have caused a ruckus, well done, have your own id.
Um...That's exactly what I said not to do.
' Wrote:the Benitez, Sails and TBH have been around forever. do they also deserve unique id's? probably, if we are going on length of time served, and RP etc etc... but do we need one?
Actually, the Sails haven't been around that long...I believe they were established earlier this year. The OPG were around a long time, of which the Sails are the remnants of. They have built upon the foundations of OPG and continue to do what OPG set out to do (Kudos to you guys btw).
The Brotherhood is the Corsairs as far as many people in Disco are concerned, myself included. Benitez are on-again-off-again, and represent really one family on Crete.
The real power of the Corsairs is their Council of Elders, which does consist of representatives of all three plus a handful of independent players who've proven themselves worthy. (Kudos to you all for this as well).
As McNeo said...it's not always smooth sailing (no pun intended) in the Council. And it wouldn't be with a re-formed CoZ either.
' Wrote:no.
why not? why is there a triumvirate that cannot co-ordinate itself, and yet in the next system, there is one that can? is it a failure to communicate? is it a leadership failure?
or is it that whilst the Corsair RP allows for individual groups to flourish, the zoner RP does not? is it that there simply is not enough room in omicrons for a separate group of zoners?
perhaps we should merge the zoners into one group? would that be fair?
no.
but would giving out individual id's be any fairer on the rest of us who have learned to get along?
Ego. Pride. A sense of leadership that could possibly go away if they're part of a group. Same reason people start 800 fringe unofficial factions instead of integrating themselves into an established official. Same reason you see a 10-1 ratio of indie - faction player at any given time on the player list.
' Wrote:Oddly enough this is exactly what I pointed out in another thread which a moderator felt he needed to lock.
I'd say it doesn't matter what anyone other than the SCRA, Corsairs, and Omicroners say on this matter. If those three groups agree to this style of a solution then they should do it. It reduces the admins work and interference in the matter.
Actually, no. You were rule-lawyering on the forums about being hostile to NPCs, admonishing the factions involved like some over-bearing parent.
I'm still going to blow up Omicroners and any Zoners that my Premier tells me to until told otherwise anyway. That's my style of solution. And it's in RP! A double-win!
' Wrote:As McNeo said...it's not always smooth sailing (no pun intended) in the Council. And it wouldn't be with a re-formed CoZ either.
To be honest, we don't really need CoZ.
The Zoner Alliance was ultimately reduced to "tech approval." If you were to look at our forum you would see over 50 motions that were passed throughout ZA's lifetime. 90% of them were tech approval. There was no global diplomacy as far as I can see, unless it happened behind closed doors on Skype.
Technically, ZA would have remained forever if it weren't for what I already mentioned. For some reason or another, many Zoner players get into a complete state of panic when somebody starts shooting at them. On one hand I understand. A lot of these players simply don't want to fight for any reason and being a Zoner kind of allows you to follow that Roleplay.
But it begs the question as to why Zoner players fly in fighters, bombers, gunboats, Fearless Destroyers, and so forth. Though that's neither here nor there and I'm not going to judge other people's roleplay here. People do as they like but if you want to know about CoZ/ZA, there's your answer.
Every time that such a group dissolved was because factions left due to stress, peer-pressure, and inability to accept the fact that it's okay for your pixels on the screen to explode when you are shot at.
All this about ids and such is really a secondary point, to tell the truth.
I would think the de facto war between Omicroners and Corsairs would be more concerning......
Especially given the fact that neither side seems to want to negotiate.
I mean, there was that peace treaty, but only the very very very basics were hammered out.....
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|