The Future of the Omega War?

[Tabris]

The ever-lasting struggle between the Corsairs - Red Hessians/Mollys/SCRA/ lore-wise seems to be preparing for the long push with the Corsairs attempting to bolster their own forces in Omega-49 and preparing an all-out assault on Dublin with overwhelming numbers now that the path through Omega-47 is opened up, however the Coalition, Red Hessians and Mollys lore-wise are preparing their own operations against the Corsairs in preparation to escalate the war further.

And yet I wonder who'll prove to be the victor in the end, both sides have their own valuable points that point to their sides, but it cannot remain a stalemate forever, something must change for one side or the other.

For the Corsairs they got:

Large Numbers

Several outposts that will prove valuable in the path into Bretonia to supply their invasion fleets that are well defended.

Veterans that can be rotated from fighting with the Outcasts towards Bretonia during their campaign while green recruits can be rotated into fighting the Outcasts

However they got these things against them:

They have always been plagued with the CREATION of supplies, a large number of it that isn't produced themselves is stolen from the Houses such as Bretonia and Rheinland.

Possibility of being flanked if the Outcasts decided to push deeper during their Bretonian campaign, making them lose valued territory and resources.

Having to fight multiple foes in their paths (Red Hessians, Mollys, The Dublin/Cambridge Garrisons, Coalition and IMG Paramilitary forces at Cardiff/Hood who'd rather side with the Mollys/Bretonians than the Corsairs.


The Hessian/Molly/Coalition also have their own points FOR:

Their positions are heavily fortified from years of conflict so a Corsair Offensive would prove bloody. (Omega-5/Dublin in particular)

Each organization brings different technologies to the table that would prove useful in combating the Corsairs (Examples: Coalition- Highly Efficient Engines, Hessians- Ability to Construct their own Battleships Mollys- Superior Bombers [The Barghest which they helped work on and is able to fire multiple more heavy ordinance than a normal Bomber]

In the case of the Mollys, they have a certain zeal because they believe they are defending what is theirs and that tends to make them fight harder, the Coalition and Hessians also stand to lose much so they fight more savagely in an attempt to even slow the enemy down slightly.


But they have their own flaws too:

The Coalition/Hessians/Mollys may suffer due to multiple leaderships, that may divide them when it comes to specific course of action that may seem object able to one group and cause them to drag their heels.

The Mollys and Coalition have limited/no battleship capabilities so they are forced to reply upon bombers to deal with Corsair Dreadnoughts/Battleships if the Hessians cannot provide Battleship support at the time of battle.

The Mollys and Coalition are much smaller than the Corsairs and are forced to rely more on the Hessians as a buffer against the Corsairs, causing more pressure on their allies while they prepare forces to aid them.


Anyways these are just examples, I want to hear your opinions on how the war may fare, but please, no hate/flaming or name-calling, I know some of you guys are very enthusiastic about your factions but let's try not to get THE ADMINS WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED angry.

[AeternusDoleo]

Corsairs have a plus in larger numbers against the Hessians and SCRA. Not so much against the house navies though. For 4.87, the Corsairs have a chaotic pattern of attack: Attacking Rheinland from the north and south (Omega 11, Omega 7 but also Frankfurt and Munich through Sigma 13). Attacking Dublin, Cambridge and Poole through Omega 49 and 50 - but that's mainly piracy raids rather then a military invasion. Bottom line, Corsairs do not have the standing forces to confront a house navy headon in-lore.

And I'm not exactly sure where you got the idea that the Coalition tech is any better then the Corsair tech. Corsairs stole their initial technology from a Rheinland expedition that stumbled upon Crete (and were subsequently thanked by execution). Coalition didn't even have that - any tech they took with them from Sol would be heavily outdated by now.

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[Pavel]

Aren't that hessians who have more soldiers, but Corsairs are better pilots?

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[Rodnas]

My take on the all vs Corsairs war is this:

The Corsairs are stupid. And i mean on a political level they made way too many enemies inRP for being the all macho-we -conquer-cause-we-can guys, apparently with no leader(again only inRP) being smart enough to see what problems are caused by this.
On the militaristic side it is the same, corsair war strategists propably are amongst the most incompetent in sirius(for whatever reason, and again only inRP) by keeping warfronts lierally everywhere, pushing and jabing in all directions and inevitably not being able to keep up the pressure to make it count.

What safes the Corsairs hide is actually the fact that they are low on food and ressources, showing the sair population that war is the only option to get what they deserve from the houses(and secretly controling population levels while at it). So the Corsairs might be dangerous if they for once focused and used their head, maybe a 1 year nap with the outcasts would be all that is needed, maybe some treaty with the Rheinland lawfuls , maybe some economic treaty with Kusari or all of the above...
As it stands the Corsairs will rush into Rheinland by being opportunistic- if that was a smart move at all will be shown in .88

As for the dearest enemies, most of them are equally screwed as the corsairs(safe the outcasts):
The mollies were always a smallish faction inRP wise, and i thought i even remember statements that if the Evil eye of Mordor errr the Corsairs or Bretonia could actually focus some serious troops oon them they would be squished, good shipbuilders or not.
Even if that was just a rumor, the Mollies are one of teh first faction which screwed themselves with being too buddy buddy- what do you think the Bretonian fleets would do if they see that the Mollies are attackt by anyone now that they side with the GRN? I bet they would move their Battlescampies into the first row, drinking tea and playing cricket while watching each and every molly getting butchered, solving a problem without losing a single ship(if the attackers are sairs i guess they would rush in AFTERWARDS to mop up waht is left).
And what will ahppen ass soon as the Gallic-nommie bubble bursts? Will the Bretonians "forgive" them, even if they didn't like em before anyways?

The SCRA is an ever painful thorn in everonse side that caught their attention, there is no doubt about it- but, they are a small faction aswell relying on partisan warfare as they do not have the fleets for conquest, so i would doubt they are a dire threat to the corsairs( a pain in the rear for sure though). Maybe their population is a bit restless with like 3 regime switches in only one year, serious infighting, killing off able fighters? Maybe they get into supply trouble as well as the Zoners might realize that the Coalition still has expansion plans into their territory...or maybe everyone takes a minute to rethink if it is really smart to support a faction that s bent on forcing its political ideals on others( hello Zoners again )....i expect much political drama with the Coalition which will be great to follow!!

Now the Hessians are an actual threat as they have a very good strategic location- and with one or two decisive victories could cut off the complete Omega fleet of the Corsairs. What i personally think is/should be a upcoming problem for the Hessians is how to explain that war to its members, new recruits and the general population.
Rheinland is war sore, all they know is fighting stupid wars for their Godkanzler so they seek rebellion with the Red Hessians, hoping on a bright future, prosperity for all and safety.
Now explain a willing but frightened average dude who picks up the movement why he should fight in...Omega 47,5,41 ....he will ask you: Omega WHAT? That isn’t rheinland, that is that unknown spooky stuff no one knows or cares about - my family is in rheinland, why should i fight to conquer dem friggin Omegas? Get rid of the Kanzler, screw the Corsairs – I thought you fight for us, not yourselves!
Same line of thought would apply for RM turncoats...
So i guess if the Hessian want to keep up their recruiting speed, happy members and still want to be a Rheinland revolutionary movement...they will not be able to fully press the Corsairs without losing the justification of their actions

=> Everyone has some serious problems with "the omega war"

Well, safe the Outcasts who probably are very happy with that side of Sirius and are either luring to deliver a painful stab to the Corsairs or try to conquer elsewhere while the Sairs a more than busy. Or, they just push cardamine and make everyone their puppets, not getting their hands dirty at all

Minor edit says: And when it comes to tech, it seems everyone in Sirius is "the best" according to all the ridiculous infocard fanservice...never found any that said "yeah, we are nice guys, but our shipbuilding skills just suck" so...with everyone being bestest, i guess everone is really just average

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[Mr.Fabulous]

The Corsairs are stupid... they made way too many enemies inRP... apparently with no leader (again only inRP) being smart enough to see what problems are caused by this.

... corsair war strategists ... keeping warfronts literally everywhere, pushing and jabing in all directions and inevitably not being able to keep up the pressure to make it count.

What safes the Corsairs hide is actually the fact that they are low on food and ressources... So the Corsairs might be dangerous if they for once focused and used their head ... maybe some treaty with the Rheinland lawfuls, maybe some economic treaty with Kusari or all of the above...

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[Knjaz]

Corsairs have a plus in larger numbers against the Hessians and SCRA. Not so much against the house navies though. For 4.87, the Corsairs have a chaotic pattern of attack: Attacking Rheinland from the north and south (Omega 11, Omega 7 but also Frankfurt and Munich through Sigma 13). Attacking Dublin, Cambridge and Poole through Omega 49 and 50 - but that's mainly piracy raids rather then a military invasion. Bottom line, Corsairs do not have the standing forces to confront a house navy headon in-lore.

Well, that's something that makes zero sense strategically.

What's the point of spreading your forces that much, and not pick your enemies one by one? It's military invasions I'm talking about, of course, not pirate raids. Latter are at least profitable.

Although, we also got Hessians, who're successfully fighting a 2 front war against House Military & Mini-House Military, both of which vastly outnumber them. Sounds like Vanilla's Gas Mining Gods to me. Those operate in a parallel universe/space-time continuum with different laws of physics, logic and everything else as well.

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On the militaristic side it is the same, corsair war strategists propably are amongst the most incompetent in sirius(for whatever reason, and again only inRP) by keeping warfronts lierally everywhere, pushing and jabing in all directions and inevitably not being able to keep up the pressure to make it count.

What safes the Corsairs hide is actually the fact that they are low on food and ressources, showing the sair population that war is the only option to get what they deserve from the houses(and secretly controling population levels while at it). So the Corsairs might be dangerous if they for once focused and used their head, maybe a 1 year nap with the outcasts would be all that is needed, maybe some treaty with the Rheinland lawfuls , maybe some economic treaty with Kusari or all of the above...

This. Basically, sairs need some diplomacy.

IMHO, most beneficial would be a (temporary) NAP with Rheinland (depending on how much of their resources are coming from it). It would allow them to coordinate attacks on Hessians and divide Omegas between them, and solve their food problems with the import of Synth Paste, that is being produced in Stuttgart.

It would greatly benefit Rheinland as well, since in it will ease the pressure on southern flanks, strengthening it's economy & industries, and allow them to throw more resources at Liberty frontline / at rebuilding / get rid of the Hessian menace once and for all.

Because it will immediately benefit both parties, I'd see such NAP as most probable. (that is, I'm not counting player's ooRP opinion like "we'll never ally with them, hell no!!11!oneone"). Question is, for how long it'd hold, since in the beginning it'll be like USSR/Germany pact before the WW2 - but such NAP will definitely achieve it's goal if it will hold for a while.

Then comes the Kusari & Outcasts. NAP with Kusarians will allow Sairs to solve their food problems (the supply chain will be longer, though), but that's it. Outcasts - it will just provide additional manpower for the other frontlines.

[Pavel]

@ Tabris

While hessians *cough* can construct battleships, don't think they have dozens of them, I doubt it's more than 3 vessels at all ,used exclusively at Omega War front I think.

@ Rodnas

afaik sairs won't invade Rheinland in .87

offtopic: according to Jamie Gottkanzler thing isn't canonical, fortunately. It's retarted even more than Bonn...

[Madvillain]

sairs will NOT invade rheinland in .87
Just to clear that up.
About the Omega war , i suspect sairs will lose it all , deal with it.

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[monmarfori]

What is "NAP"? No aggression policy?

[Madvillain]

non aggression pact

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