' Wrote:Well, at least we can see that Hackers are evolving...
From using border world ships, they will be getting a fighter and a bomber, besides they got a gunship in the last version.
Hackers don't need a bomber.
Simple.
They don't. They can and they do use the Barghest.
What bomber should Hackers actually use?
Falcata... is kind of outcast only.... needed for themselves
Barghest... is made by Rogues/Mollys who are considered stupid by the high-tech Lane Hackers..... strange to use their bomber, that btw. is very much about brute power and armor more than anything else.. not realy high-tech
So yes hackers could use a bomber.... but Order can too....
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
My point is. Hackers got/are gonna get a gunship and a fighter (by Turkish).
Are we equipping them for a war or what?
There are other factions there, ya know..
And it doesn't really look Hackerish to me. And it doesn't look Hi-tech either.
I'm not going to put a pressure on who should be getting it.
Just chill with Hacker ships.
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aaargh... That's what I'm saying, the hackers have the whole BW line and a few of their own coming along soon. The Order already have ships, and the Xenos have NOTHING! If you look at the RP behind each ship choice the Xenos shouldn't even exist- all the decent ships that look as if the Xenos could use are sold on the other side of the universe! The ship everyone thinks in most Xeno-ish is the Eagle and that sold in the Omicrons on a Zoner base! For gods sake they need their own ship! I mean the Xenos if you look at one of their base's info-cards were formed 400 years after the arrival of the sleeper ships. That means they have been around for roughly 220 years. They would have developed at least one ship in that time!
Yes the Xenos are the poorest faction, yes they are all pretty much redunadant workers, but think about it. Physical labourers do alot of stuff, like ship constructing before production-line machines were brought in, and mining. Mining gets the materials, and the ship builders put it together. Also look at Kepler. The amount of transports that travel through, you can secure most commodities need for ship construction through pillaging and burning, or simpily buying it of a Zoner base! I am not asking for the Xenos to get a 'Uber Cap Ship Of Doom' I am asking they get one ship! Gah, this is so fustrating!
So far the only bomber the Xenos can even hope to use in the civillian bomber, and that is horrible. It turns too slow, ans that coupled with Xeno weapons short range cripples it. If there was a more agile bomber i.e. the piece of art Scorlord has developed the Xenos would actually be able to counter threats instead of running away when there is anything bigger than a VHF. I play as a Xeno, and I can tell you it's just fustrating when you are winning a fight against fighters then have to flee for your life when a GB turns up, which inevitably happens.
This has all been typed as my head is about to explode to expect some of it not make sense...
Jammi breath please. I understand your frustration. However, from reading your post the problem I am picking up is not with the civilian line of ships themselves, it is simply that the civilian ships of the level you need are too far away. That I can sympathize with.
What I am saying is that a group like the Xeno's lack the industrial base to develop their own exclusive line of ships. Most pirate groups make use of what is available. From extensive info card reading (or reading between those lines) the only factions that have their own exclusive lines of ships in vanilla are the houses.
BOUNTY HUNTER
The head of bounty hunter ships and the head of the rhino are the same. I believe this to because that shape of head is a trade mark of ships designed and built by DSE. These ships have a reputation as BH ships not because they are built by the BHG, but rather hunters are the most common users of this ship line.
OUTCAST
My theory is that the border world line of vessel is built by an unnamed fringe corporation, who for what are mostly likely reasons of politics, tend to only sell ships to those outside of the houses who have access to decent money. It would explain why the outcasts do not have a shipyard. Someone else builds them. However, the outcasts do have shipwrights who have been improving the designs. Those improved designs would be faction exclusive, but not their own line.
CORSAIR
This is probably the closest line to be considered exclusive. In an info card it describes a corsair ship wright upgrading their ships with simple fins. ".....faster then the original Kishro designers thought possible" is a quote from that info card, or a closely related one. Anyway, what this suggests to me is that the blueprints used to create their ships was stolen. (Thus why there are so many variations of fins around a similar body) and why they have a ship yard. This idea supports the corsair motto "We steal what we need".
CIVILIAN
There should be allot more of these craft. A ton actually. There is the Starflyer line and the Bird of Prey line. I believe these to be built by DSE and Kishiro respectively. This is model T syndrome. More ships of a general civilian line would be a good thing.
So Jammi why not request a custom variation for the xeno's use. Or ask to have an eagle for sale at home?
Also, yes the civilian bomber is bad. It is civillian after all. I don't imagine those designers to have a great deal of experience in the anit cap department.
I have no opinion, which faction it should be given.
The cockpit looks similar to the Marzoruki, made by Turkish. The engines remind me to the Raven Claw.
Its a very nice model, but the front of the cockpit is to flat. Just try to add a spike like the BW fighters have, but shorter. Maybe the half of the length.