If you can't do it with a pirate cruiser, you shouldn't do it with a escort cruiser.
That's my opinion. It's also my opinion that cruisers shouldn't be escorting transports all over sirius.
' Wrote:That's my opinion. It's also my opinion that cruisers shouldn't be escorting transports all over sirius.
Certainly in a lot of cases it doesn't make sense. But the Maelstrom is a bit.... special; hence the Special OP status. It's still being rebuilt and Evangeline needs to find a way to make some money off of it.:P
In the unlikely event that there is a cruiser escorting a merchant vessel - it might make sense for a large convoy, I guess, but said convoy should also then ideally have a fighter wing - and the transport is attacked, I can't see anything terribly wrong with the cruiser feeding it bats/bots. But... um. Why not bring a repair ship, then?
' Wrote:In the unlikely event that there is a cruiser escorting a merchant vessel - it might make sense for a large convoy, I guess, but said convoy should also then ideally have a fighter wing - and the transport is attacked, I can't see anything terribly wrong with the cruiser feeding it bats/bots. But... um. Why not bring a repair ship, then?
Which leads me to think, if I'm in a bomber, and I'm pirating a transport, let's say the transport forces me to use all my bots, then a pirate cruiser fills me again with bots, what would you say to that? Remember that passing bots/bats counts as participating of the fight.
Big furball in New York. Dozens of lawful fighters, and a Liberty Siege Cruiser, dozens of Rogue ships and a few Ptranses. If the Cruiser is shooting at the fighters (say they're Greyhounds so he might actually miss once in a while) and he hits a Ptrans with its shield down, he might accidentally kill it, right?
Well, this Ptrans throws a screaming fit and tantrum about being killed by a cruiser, and SS's the blue message and submits it. Would that result in a sanction?
What can the cruiser do? Say he tried to run, but kept getting cruise disrupted.
Big furball in New York. Dozens of lawful fighters, and a Liberty Siege Cruiser, dozens of Rogue ships and a few Ptranses. If the Cruiser is shooting at the fighters (say they're Greyhounds so he might actually miss once in a while) and he hits a Ptrans with its shield down, he might accidentally kill it, right?
Well, this Ptrans throws a screaming fit and tantrum about being killed by a cruiser, and SS's the blue message and submits it. Would that result in a sanction?
What can the cruiser do? Say he tried to run, but kept getting cruise disrupted.
If I'm not wrong the cruiser is allowed to engage anyone as long as it has a guard ID, is being attacked in Liberty space, and the target is behaving unlawfully.
' Wrote:If I'm not wrong the cruiser is allowed to engage anyone as long as it has a guard ID, is being attacked in Liberty space, and the target is behaving unlawfully.
You are wrong.
6.7 Attacking transports, liners or demanding cargo from the same is not allowed for cruisers and battleships.
Exceptions to this rule are:
a) Terrorist, Nomad, Wild, Phantom ID players;
b) LSF or Liberty Navy Guard vessels operating within Zone 21 or Alaska;
c) Order Guard vessels operating within Alaska or Omicron Minor;
d) Blood Dragon Guard vessels within Chugoku;
e) Corsair Guard vessels within Omicron Gamma;
f) Outcast Guard vessels within Omicron Alpha; g) Guard ID players in their -own- associated Guard system.
h) Special OP players within the guidelines of their approved RP.
Liberty space is not the "-own- associated Guard system.". Alaska is.
While talking about ridiculos hypothetical scenarios :
If say the Rheinland Marine outfitted a wing of Transports or Armored Transport, then sent that wing to New York, to attack Libery corporation ships, the Liberty Navy capships could do nothing against them, except call in their fighters, bombers and GS/GB's to deal with them.
A small fact that capwhores don't realise. Diversity in fleet capabilities is the key. Using the right ship for the task at hand is the recipe for success. Bigger is not allways better*...
* Notice to Dusty: We are talking about SHIPS IN SIRIUS, not what you think of when you hear that line.
Out of bats, Out of bots, Out of torps - Down to harsh language...
' Wrote:Which leads me to think, if I'm in a bomber, and I'm pirating a transport, let's say the transport forces me to use all my bots, then a pirate cruiser fills me again with bots, what would you say to that? Remember that passing bots/bats counts as participating of the fight.
By that reasoning... I shall now take a pirate fleet to attack Fort Bush, and as well as our multiple Sarissas and Stortas, we shall have an armoured transport with us. And be invincible unless Liberty musters enough bombers, since none of the Liberty capital ships may engage until the armoured transport is taken out by something else. Similarly, any capital ships anywhere may be rendered helpless instantly by the presence of a transport on the other side.
... nope, I don't buy it. The capital ship can do all it wants so long as it doesn't shoot at that transport. And that's not to say that battleship/cruiser piracy is good, since what is happening there is a deliberate threat to transports, whereas one escorting a convoy may well be there as a gunboat deterrent, and the fighters can cope with other stuff. That's what common sense tells me. Granted, I've never once seen a cruiser escorting a convoy and have characters in factions which either don't have capital ships or simply do not deploy them, but I figure it could happen.
' Wrote:Which leads me to think, if I'm in a bomber, and I'm pirating a transport, let's say the transport forces me to use all my bots, then a pirate cruiser fills me again with bots, what would you say to that? Remember that passing bots/bats counts as participating of the fight.
In general, I would say, sanction everybody in the system and let (the deity of your choice) sort out the innocent. This applies to the other extremely hypothetical situations as well.
In this specific case, I would say that the pirate cruiser was breaking the rules and would lose its guns, equipment and credits.
The intent behind this rule is to stop piracy using capships. To make the rule simpler it applies to all situations rather than just piracy. Having the capship present during the piracy makes it party to the piracy. Other people have been sanctioned for exactly this situation.
Now this is my interpretation and the actually ruling would depend on the evidence. My suggestion would be to never put yourself in a situation like this.
Proud member of "the most paranoid group of people in the community"
' Wrote:I shall now take a pirate fleet to attack Fort Bush, and as well as our multiple Sarissas and Stortas, we shall have an armoured transport with us. And be invincible unless Liberty musters enough bombers, since none of the Liberty capital ships may engage until the armoured transport is taken out by something else. Similarly, any capital ships anywhere may be rendered helpless instantly by the presence of a transport on the other side