it happened 5 min ago when i was crossing the sigmas on my way to the omicrons ( Cheshire, manta VHF, BHG ID, BHG tag )
some trader opened fire on me, no provokation, no word prior to the attack, no RP reason at all. - he took out 100% of my shields and 5% of the hull - when i opened fire and destroyed him. ( must have been a low level freighter ... he was only 38 ) so he was destroyed in the counterattack in self defense. - after the 1 second surprise shock of being targetted by some civilian in a freighter.
now, the question is.... he is a trader... can he come back? - or do the pvp rules apply to traders that are attacking ... especially when they attack non pirates. if the pvp rules applied, he wouldn t be able / allowed to keep doing his diamond run anymore - if the trader rules apply, he can come back... and i cannot even do anything against him, cause i m no pirate.
That's... odd. Personally I'd say that full pvp rules should ALWAYS apply to traders, but especially if they shoot first- it's a full on pvp at that point, if the pvp rules don't apply then I'm going to buy myself a trader ID'd Raven Claw, mount full codes and debbies then attack everyone in sight over and over again. </sarcasm>
Oh yeah, I presume these diamonds were from Rheinland? Maybe I should get some Volksfront in the air.
I agree with Grimly. He used his ship like a fighter and not a freighter, and so he has to adhere to the PvP rules.
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' Wrote:I'm sorry but where in the rules does it say that PvP rules do not apply to traders? I never heard anything about this until now.
same ere but if thats the case then...
Quote:Personally I'd say that full pvp rules should ALWAYS apply to traders
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@jpo: hm... as a matter of fact, i m not sure if the rules state it clearly. - but traders are not bound to the 4 hours lock out after being shot down - they can practicly "re-engage".
the problem there was that the player was flying a low level freighter with little chance against a manta. and he was clearly on the nio / dia run - using sigma-13 ( but not the chogoku turn ). so i assume that he was not using the ship as a fighter, but as a freighter... the problem is that he never replied to PMs, so i have no idea what made him attack anyway.
when its about the so called "common sense" i d say - when its used as a fighter, its a fighter - and freighters like the kushan assault freighter can do quite some damage to an enemy. - this scenario was just never really cleared up.
there are transports that have excellent offensive capabilities that could - if they liked...create very small, very private worlds of pain for pirates.... or others. now, in that case i did not care at all if he resumed his route, cause i was only passing through anyway... but one might think of a group of "traders" using like 3 container transports that are able to do a lot of damage when used correctly - and they could - if they were considered to be "trading" simply come back...