"You seem to refuse to do what the Navy is supposed to do"
The navy is supposed to check for Liberty border's security, to attack hostile vessels of Houses they are at war with, and even to start an attack or invasion on Rheinland or Gallia. The Navy is not supposed to do LPI jobs, which would be taking care of Hellfire Legionaires, Xenos, Rogues, Smugglers, Pirates and Lanehackers. Still the navy does that job since the lacking presence of LPI characters online often enough.
D9s have been known to be trouble for a long time, infact they are bugging everyone and everything. The players behind those D9 characters are known to be skilled or experienced pilots/gamers who actually would win a pvp against many others players even if it was 1 vs 2. I apologize for interferring your RP, I was expecting a battle since I saw shots fired and didn't get a response by my teammate. So did my character. Your character started firing on mine not accepting him to apologize, instead keeping him as a traitor to be arrested (and potentially infected or killed, which I wanted to avoid), hence my escape to Norfolk.
Asfor Hellfires and LH its the same, skilled experienced players, and fighting against you is a real pain in the butt and only ends up in destruction and wasting money. Why not joining LN or LPI or 5th, if you think they don't do their job? Help them doing so but don't complain about that new players avoid fighting skilled exeprienced players, because doing so really ruins the fun.
About the LN: I barely see LNs online these days, and if so its mostly only 1 or 2. Many skilled and experience players are within the LN, but unfortunately they are not online when needed, often enough. Or not atleast when me and my friends and teammates need them. So the 5th gotta do all the jobs from LPI to LN, fight against 5 threats in 5 different systems at the same time. What do you expect?
I don't mind losing in a fair fight, but I do mind wasting my time and ingame money spent on and in this game for nothing and nothing again. And fighting LHs, Hellfires and D9s doesn't seem to be a fair fight to me.
(03-30-2015, 10:26 PM)DraconAUT Wrote: "You seem to refuse to do what the Navy is supposed to do"
As for Hellfires and LH its the same, skilled experienced players, and fighting against you is a real pain in the butt and only ends up in destruction and wasting money. Why not joining LN or LPI or 5th, if you think they don't do their job? Help them doing so but don't complain about that new players avoid fighting skilled exeprienced players, because doing so really ruins the fun.
About the LN: I barely see LNs online these days, and if so its mostly only 1 or 2. Many skilled and experience players are within the LN, but unfortunately they are not online when needed, often enough. Or not atleast when me and my friends and teammates need them. So the 5th gotta do all the jobs from LPI to LN, fight against 5 threats in 5 different systems at the same time. What do you expect?
While this isn't the [LN] feedback thread, I'd like to respond here to the text I've quoted, but also to the other people who accuse 5th (and [LN]) of "not doing their jobs".
The 5th|, [LN], and LPI- are driven by players, okay? The players who make up these groups are all people who for one reason or other felt like playing a lawful character. Playing a lawful character however does not oblige them to be at the beck and call of every single person who calls for help, especially not when there are other things going on. These groups and the people in them simply CANNOT be everywhere at once, and nobody should expect them to be.
On the note of "The Navy shouldn't be doing LPI jobs", I agree but there seems to be a double standard here. Responding to individual distress calls from random traders, is not a primary task for the Liberty Navy. It's something they can and should do, as it's part of "maintaining house security" but it is not a primary task. HOWEVER, when Liberty Navy players don't do this, well you guessed it! we get told we're not doing our jobs.
In between responding to distress calls and going on raids, there are other things that the players in lawful factions would like to do, you know? and fighting 4 to 1 odds constantly, simply isn't fun for everyone. It's not all about pvp and blue messages and going around being white-knight heroes. Being an LPI officer or Navy pilot is a job inRP; it should not feel like a job to the PLAYERS behind the characters.
But basically Draconaut, I agree with the first half of what I quoted from you, and on the matter of the second half I'd just like to point out that until recently the [LN] was the single most active lawful official faction on the server, though recently we've been overtaken by the [KNF], and the 5th| while still unofficial continue to maintain an IMPRESSIVE level of activity.
I hope to see the 5th continue to maintain their activity, and I'm always glad to see them flying alongside [LN].
Well I'm glad you understand our situation and that you see and mention both, positive and negative aspects regarding the 5th fleet. I wish many players would share that in common but yea, their minds, their opinions. On the other hand I am sure you and the LN also got into this situation in the past.
You are right about the fact that playing our characters should not become like our job to do so, we're not getting paid for this, and its only a game. Also its everyone's free decision to play the character he or she desires to play, and when to log in or not. Given to that though, when a player is part of a faction, that player needs to show some activity within that faction aswell.
Asfor our mistakes: We are only human and humans are known for doing mistakes, but we learn of them, or atleast we try. We can't be blamed for being human. We cannot react like scripited bots on every situation or every hostile character like people would like to see it. How we react on such things, is then again our own decision, along with certain rules given by server and faction.
You see a rogue bomber, and a hacker gunboat near a lane. Thus, a VHF, a GB and a light fighter on the navy side. Do the math. If you join, that will be somewhat unfair. But, nevermind that. It might work out, if you join with that single bomber.
So, you've joined the fight. The light fighter is gone, the LN GB gets poofed. Sounds fair by now, so you keep on shooting. The LH gunboat wounds both you, and the LN fighter. You probably shout for reinforcements. One of your mate comes. It's the two bombers, raiding the single hacker gunboat now. It's somewhat balanced, since the GB can aim. But, soon as your bats run out, you flee to be resupplied. And switch to a fighter, thus call another gunboat.
Now, if you tell me that a fight, where a LH gunboat was dancing for like an hour, fighting off different ships, running low on bats is fair, I'd reply it is fair, since the boat was doing well. Calling more troops on the ship, now that's..... slightly less so.
But some may not handle the situation like that so well.
On a positive side, you have a few members, that are indeed useful, and can, and will RP.
But hey, it was all well. But, I'd refrain from doing that. It puts the stamp of: "That "group" is only there to shoot."
I gotta say that even though you are bad at PVP, you are the biggest PVP-whores on the server. You'll chase anything anywhere with any number of ships, and that's a quality in itself.
If only you wouldn't run so much, even when you instigate attack. I can understand why players aren't always in the mood to PVP, but I find it a little frustrating when you attack and then don't want to stick around for the fight when you realize you might lose. It's a waste of my time as well as your own (unless you enjoy running - I personally hate running, and I also hate chasing because I am real bad at both).
No shame in dying, especially when you have an over-aggressive play style.
(03-27-2015, 04:12 PM)SpaceTime Wrote: I would like to make a question which I think several users have. What does the 5th offer differently in terms of roleplay than the current official Liberty Navy faction?
What I mean is that a faction seeks officiality either to fill an empty spot in a NPC faction which is not officially represented or to offer something different than the current official faction(s) of that NPC faction. However, at the moment, your RP is somewhat identical to what [LN] already offers, if not much more limited in terms of variation.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not doing well, I am simply seeking to see the motives behind this request.
Your question is right. Well as i said about it above we are curently working on it and as soon as a forum ready version is finished you'll be informed here.
And thanks for the feedback.
Okay tomorrow the 3 months are being completed. So, have you worked on this forum version?
We regret to inform you that your group has failed to reach Official status. Your faction, although active, adds nothing appreciatively different than the current Official Liberty Navy faction. Therefore, we feel it best for your group to remain unofficial.