I wouldn't rule out zoner miners that quickly because inrp it makes sense, for instance iridium ( not that common but thats a MUST for weapon developments ), and the edge worlds should indeed have rare goods to mine
(05-17-2013, 12:19 AM)Lusitano Wrote: want zoners mining? simple. helium on penn and alien organisms on om 74 and theta!
and about zoners are not miners, if i'm not mistaken, corsairs are not miners and they can mine artifacts
I think the argument is "we can't have one faction that participates in every activity". But, if we use our brains, Zoners are excluded from any offensive PVP actions and so don't get to participate in many things with their capitals.
Of course for this point to make sense as well, we'd also then have to ignore the IMG, which mines, trades, uses capitals and isn't excluded from PVP.
As far as I can see IMG basically is mining zoners. But whereas zoners dont have pirates/OCs/Sairs hostile rephacked, IMG do. So there's your balance. If you want mining zoners, thats what the miner ID is for. It shouldnt have many hostile rephacks, if it does, that's a problem.
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Sorry Hone but i don't agree with you about IMG are mining Zoners. The faction more look alike with Zoner is the Junkers. The diference is that they are hated on Kusari, can pirate outisde house space and in Kusari, and have bases inside house space. They are also neutral to all ... except Kusari ... even with Corsairs and Outcast as in theory the Zoners are.
On my last post i said helium on Penn and aliens og on om74 because, Penn once was a Zoner system and Zoners are the biggest sellers of alien org, along with Samura, evn the best price to buy is a Zoner base .. best price not the best place, and only then comes Kurile and then is FP15 and FP9. You can even buy alien org on Baffin and if i'm not mistaken, there is a mining place for it on that system. Theta is also a good place for mining but i don't know if Om74 is also.
(05-17-2013, 01:50 PM)Lusitano Wrote: Sorry Hone but i don't agree with you about IMG are mining Zoners. The faction more look alike with Zoner is the Junkers. The diference is that they are hated on Kusari, can pirate outisde house space and in Kusari, and have bases inside house space. They are also neutral to all ... except Kusari ... even with Corsairs and Outcast as in theory the Zoners are.
On my last post i said helium on Penn and aliens og on om74 because, Penn once was a Zoner system and Zoners are the biggest sellers of alien org, along with Samura, evn the best price to buy is a Zoner base .. best price not the best place, and only then comes Kurile and then is FP15 and FP9. You can even buy alien org on Baffin and if i'm not mistaken, there is a mining place for it on that system. Theta is also a good place for mining but i don't know if Om74 is also.
"Just hated by Kusari and can't go in" Is pretty much a huge difference between Zoners and Junkers, seeing that in Kusari some of the best trade routes (and the best ore routes) go through.
Junkers mine scrap and premium scrap!!! Not "ore"!! And the best places to sell then are not on Kusari and even don't pass by Kusari space. A Zoner who trades on house space must do it on a 3.5k of cargo ship or less and the Junker can use the Pilgrim that has a 3.9k.
But even so, i think, their the most alike faction with the Zoners, so i think is a bit unfair that they, at elast don't have their gunboats, because the salvager the "frigate" is is a transport ... a good one yes ... but a transport.
But we are talking about mining and some how don't miss tany bonus mining on the Zoner id, but if we could have any bonus, it could be alien orgs .. i know a nice trade route for then!!!!! :-)
(05-17-2013, 03:59 AM)n00bl3t Wrote: I think the argument is "we can't have one faction that participates in every activity". But, if we use our brains, Zoners are excluded from any offensive PVP actions and so don't get to participate in many things with their capitals.
Of course for this point to make sense as well, we'd also then have to ignore the IMG, which mines, trades, uses capitals and isn't excluded from PVP.
I'd like bump this topic up again for consideration by developers. I'm hoping there's a mindset change.
Let's not break what's already broken even further.
If it is paramount to your roleplay, make an Indie Miner and put a Zoner IFF on it, and voilà you are a true independent pilot with ties to the Mighty Zoners.