' Wrote:The Thor bomber *hessian one* is a nice ship I have one myself it turns alright and has great power and good armor .... also for the perty part it has a way different look then other type ships in my opinion. But I am not sure if GC's can fly it ... Might try PMing a GC player while on the game.
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It works in asteroids because it's fat enough that you can use the asteroids to turn (and minimize your insane hitbox). Kusari doesn't have a whole lot of asteroids. It's also very very dead against fighters... especially stuff like Chimaeras. Doesn't help that the KNF bomber flies like a VHF, so you're still dead, plus a huge SN target to boot. Good luck with that.
Blood Dragon ships are masterworked heirlooms. They are not 'sold' by any means, they are passed down from warrior to warrior. For a GC (or anyone else for that matter) to have one, they must have proved themselves worthy of such an honor, or be important enough to justify a gift of such importance.
Civilian ships, however, can be bought anywhere. Literally anywhere. Civilian ship dealers are like Starbucks. There is NO ONE who can't use them, and they are pretty cheap to buy, so a lot of the poorer factions use them (Xenos, Gaians, etc). No reason you couldn't use them. Except for the Stinger, anyway- Stinger, while being civvy, is Samura produced, and GC aren't exactly pals with Samura...
Borderworlds ships are a little harder to come across than civilian ships, but all Outcast bases are stocked with spares, and there are several business deals currently between the GC and Outcasts- it's completely reasonable that a GC could buy one, if they had the scratch. Raven's Talon is an extension of this, it is a fighter designed for rich people- with the right connections and suitable wealth, just about anyone can end up with one.
So, here's a handy dandy formula for what ship fits what type of GC-
If poor, take civvy. If rich, take civvy or BW. If crazy rich, Raven's Talon is another option.
If proved honorably to BD or otherwise in the line of inheritance for a BD ship, take the BD, it would be rather impolite not to. For gunboat on up in the BD line, you should have done something akin to the FL equivalent of the 12 labors of Herakles. But then again, why would you need a capital ship? They turn too slow.
' Wrote:And you would like us to fly Eagles with Suncannons and DEBILITATORS bought from Lane Hackers from outside our ZoI?
Psst, Dab, the base that sells them has had GC NPCs since Vanilla, and there are rumors about funny GC/LR interactions on that base.
' Wrote:Blood Dragon ships are masterworked heirlooms. They are not 'sold' by any means, they are passed down from warrior to warrior. For a GC (or anyone else for that matter) to have one, they must have proved themselves worthy of such an honor, or be important enough to justify a gift of such importance.
Could you provide any evidence to back this up? I've never seen a single rumor or news report saying this. This belief is even less supported by the fact that in Vanilla, the Blood Dragons used the generic Dragon HF, which was the same as the KNF. Both used the Dragon. Now how can a common Kusari fighter be an heirloom? And even granting the Blood Dragon HF as being cherished by the Blood Dragons, is there ANY evidence or information pointing towards it being distributed in such a manner? None that I've ever found.
' Wrote:Psst, Dab, the base that sells them has had GC NPCs since Vanilla, and there are rumors about funny GC/LR interactions on that base.
Funny, since the LR don't sell Debs.. And even granting that Leiden is in our ZoI (on the very outer-edge of it), using their weapons is still shaky, as they are not even our allies, let alone close ones like the BD. Though to be honest, the Debilitator thing is more of just a personal beef with me than anything. You can ask the GC player faction.. Anytime I find one with a debbie on their ship, I do what I can to get them to change it out for a level 9 gun or codename. And Kuraine has codenames as unauthorized weaps for his faction as they are hard to acquire and replace.. So I do the acquiring for them.
EDIT: Oh, and about the Thor.. If I ever find a GC flying a Thor bomber, I WILL kill you, GC or no.. One; Its not Kusari by any means. Two; Its hideous. Three; Its almost as bad as a preggy. Four; You shouldn't be using a Hessien ship on a GC character.. We're not even distant allies.. We're allies of their allies, which doesn't make for great reputations between us.
Problems is you have a sizeable number of people in a many threads saying it's strange for GC to use only BD ships... while you keep seeing absolutely no problem with that.... and when a new guy comes he gets told that "BD ships are perfectly fine".
The only people that say it's fine is the GCs themselves. While every other faction in kusari as well as some outsiders see it as strange.
Quote:And I don't think the opinion of 'proper' for a GC, from the perspective of someone who has NEVER flown a GC character, or even a Blood Dragon one as far as I kow, matters much. Further, I have yet to see you ever fly an Eagle, or fly any ship with Suncannons on it.. Your arguing over things for which you have no personal experience in. Excuse me a moment, need to call my PR manager about a sales problem.
I have a Blood Dragon fyi, a greedy one;)No I don't have a GC character. I did fly Eagle with Furys for some time...but I'm not really big fan of 5.88. Btw. you keep saying how Chimaera is as good as a BD without flying it daily...
Quote:You want easier kills, and you have always done this with every ship you come up against. Christ, it takes a lot of restraint not to go off on you in here, because frankly, I'm SICK of your bickering and complaints.
Your flying makes for easy enough kills;)(Konnichiwa from Sasaki;)) ... and Konnichiwa to the other GC eating SN from behind in a Catamaran just day before... shouldn't believe it was possible.
Quote: I'm sick of the amount of complaining that goes on in this community. When I found Hogoshas flying Kusari bombers and Chimaeras, I didn't complain at all. I liked how they still had a Kusari look, as opposed to the very non-Kusari looking Eagles.
There is ONE Hogosha on the server that has ONE Kusari bomber... that is all...
there are over 10 GCs with both BD bomber and fighter, that's a difference.
Quote:I don't care, what you think anymore Mjolner. You want to constantly complain and bicker, you can do it with someone else, as I'm an inch from putting you on my forum ignore list.
Do so. I do remember how you complained about Corsairs using Tigersharks from their allies because their ship with exactly same stats is bugged... then proposing they should buy Griffins from neutral zoners instead. :lol:
About Thor
Quote:One; Its not Kusari by any means. Two; Its hideous. Three; Its almost as bad as a preggy. Four; You shouldn't be using a Hessien ship on a GC character
1+4 I agree with.. it's strange...3rd is a PVP reason... which is the primary reason why you fly BDs in the first place.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
How about the wyrm? The infocard does not say who builds it, and does not list any specific factions that use it; it merely says that it's a good fighter used by many groups in kusari, or something along those lines... ill have to go check real quick.
Here's the infocard:
Quote:J7P - 34 "Wyrm" Kusari Light Fighter
In an environment in which the smallest mistake can cost lives, this fighter takes maximum advantage of years of Kusari research and technology all distilled down and compressed into to one deceptively small package. That, along with it's recently modified power systems, makes the Wyrm a superior value in it's class.
While VHFs are more obviously military hardware, even if their infocards don't say so (look at rumors- they mention that the military strictly controls who flies HFs and lets them out only at battleships after a background check at the very least), LFs have been sold on planets forever. In RL, police use cars- modified cars, but still at heart, a civilian issue car. The military does not use cars, they use armored cars with machine guns, tanks, etc. While one might be able to purchase a surplus armored car type thing, it's pretty damn hard to get a license to actually drive one. In FL, it wouldn't surprise me if "house LF" meant something resembling "American-made car" or "German-made car" etc ad infinitum. They might require a little finagling to get the police-grade ones (Wyrm as opposed to Drake) but it isn't impossible to do lawfully. They probably don't get too much protection on shipments either, when was the last time you saw so much as a motorcycle escorting a civilian car shipment? Wyrm doesn't seem that bad to me.
And I'm not going to get between Mjolnir and Dab. Not worth my time, you guys have issues with each other, that's your business not mine.
why does everybody seem to argue about the GC's usage of other factions ships? we dont have any of our own, which will change in the next mod... Jinx is working on a bomber for us... and i am (trying) to make us a fighter.... we only use these ships because we have nothing else to use other than civilian. Plus the ships we use are those of our allies, which ingame i havent seen any of the blood dragons complain...... i dont know about the forums.... point is we only use them as the fact that we have none of our own.... plus we have admin approval (kuraine).
Jeez, drag me into it all the time XD Anyway, let's keep it civil, eh? Right, onto the important matters.
I am doing my best to get a GC VHF, Bomber and Light Fighter for 4.85, because it means we don't have to use the Blood Dragon vessels and they look infinitely better aesthetically for Kusari than any of the civilian or Outcast ships do, and looks are important (this is a group of women, after all XD). The GC are very wealthy, and have huge numbers of people from all walks of life throughout Kusari. We're the sole distributors of cardamine for the whole of Kusari, and it is proving extremely popular across the nation.
The Outcasts bring the Cardamine that we buy only as far as our main base at Ainu Depot, due to the extreme hostility from all Kusari factions (even the blood dragons more or less) and the lack of landing places anywhere in Kusari. Therefore, all the revenue from cardamine flows into the GC. We don't have the political connections or engineering skills of the Blood Dragons directly, but we do have them and our Outcast allies to help with engineering, and the money to finance such undertakings. Oh, and on top of all this, we receive a considerable amount of covert funding from Synth Foods and Interspace Commerce, in terms of raw materials, engine components, food supplies and actual money.
As for the Eagle/Preagle, they're bugged to hell and the Eagle will die instantly from a nuke mine though.
Telbasta, I'll make part of this specifically towards you. Now, then, the GC are capable of using Civilian Ships, Blood Dragon Ships, or Outcast ships if you're that important. However, if you intend to roleplay your character as a shy, intellectual GC like you described earlier, it might be best to keep the ship as inconspicuous as possible (Civilian Line), as she's done nothing to otherwise prove herself worthy of an above average ship in Roleplay. If you are roleplaying something else, or you get enough kills for Acehood or something of the sort, an upgrade would be in order, but if you roleplay like you said you were going to, then the Civilian Line would be fine.
On second thought, I'm keeping my hands off of the rest of the thread. I have made my points...
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.