Recreating the Phantoms?

[HuggieSunrise]

I see it more likely that the system will be made empty and the ships will be given to wherever is easiest to sell them at. Those are vary vary old ships with the exception of the huntress which is a reman warbird from startrek.. of poor model quality.. probably ripped straight from star-fleet command 3.

Every re texture of the slipstream or the raven looks horrible.. and theve been remodeled a hundred times but without the blessing of the original phooms? I dont see them making a comeback other then as civy options which i personally though 85. was lacking.

Tenas Idea looks creative and wonderful, I would like to see it done. however its apparent the devs and admins have been in a final push for the next incarnation of the mod. SRP lockdown meant basically everything else gets locked down. Frustrating as hell but.. there it is.

[Serpentis]

Phantoms have been history for quite a while now & yet phantom-hate is still an issue. It doesn't matter if it's a fanboy reboot or just an excuse to try & get the ships out of mothballs...many people will whine, bitch & complain about it to the point where it will just become the same 'ol headache to deal with all over again.

The phantoms are gone & they took their ships w/ 'em as far as disco's concerned

Best to just let it go imho

I agree fully with Marburg (:

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Abadan and the Arcadia | Sergei, The lost | Feedback Thread

[Disco]

Alright, here's what sparked this thread in the first place:

A long while back, I created a faction known as The Oracles. This group began when a zoner ship stumbled upon the Daam K'vosh structure now referred to as the Shrine. The group eventually became a link between those wanting to join the keepers and the keepers themselves - a midway faction that, while having it's own unique RP as a psuedo religious group, also provided instruction to those players seeking to become nomads.

The leader of the Oracles - the captain of the zoner ship that found the shrine and the first human to set foot on the structure - was an individual known only as Miranda. Over the course of my time playing that character, I took her on a drastically different path than the rest of the Oracles - she lead them, but at the same time she was 'possessed', for lack of a better word, by the K'vosh artificial intelligence entity that inhabited the shrine and guarded it's secrets. She shared her mind with that entity in much the same way a willing nomad host shares his or her body with the nomad incubus.

Through that shared existence, the entity slowly manipulated Miranda's DNA in order to progress her evolution as a human - it unlocked latent abilities such as telepathy and telekinesis, downloaded the knowledge of the shrine itself into her mind, and sent her off on peculiar quests to find very specific artifacts and people, for reasons that were never revealed to the rest of the Oracles or even to Miranda herself. She was an agent of the shrine, and through her service she became a more advanced individual, a truly symbiotic relationship.
Now, I've been wanting to rekindle Miranda's character and that RP since my return to disco, but I havent yet decided on a faction that fits - that is, until some thought was put into the disbanding of the Phantoms and the fact that they now have suitable bases and ships for Miranda's tasks.

In essence, the phantoms under Miranda would have absolutely no relation to the phantoms that once existed. They would be a completely new group, with new goals, new allegiances, and an entirely new style of roleplay. Miranda's group would, of course, consist of individuals similar to herself - agents chosen for being genetically ahead of the curve in comparison to the average Sirian human, and tasked with the collection of artifacts, similar living subjects, and anything else necessary to further the entity's goals (which I'm not going to reveal at this time).

The group would not be overtly hostile to any particular factions throughout Sirius, though obviously many groups - including the order and house governments - may be hostile to them. Outside of any necessary violence to procure the items they're tasked with obtaining, these individuals would never initiate hostilities. Due to their relation to the Oracles, they would be on semi-friendly terms with the Nomads, considering themselves advanced enough to be equals to the K'hara and as of yet unmentioned empires outside of Sirius.
The way I see it, the phantoms are an empty NPC faction perfectly suited to the group I had intended to create, and eventually the ships can be given custom models to fit them further.

I want to see this come to life. Tenacity is trying to create a new faction, that wouldn't be the same role play as the previous Phantoms. Maybe even in .86, they could have a different ID/Identity?

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[schlurbi]

I always liked metting Phantoms, shame they're gone. But in my Opinion, they should stay that way. Why? Because even if they are recreated, they will never be the same again.

Also, what others said: Even if you do it right, People will always bitch at you. May it be Jealousy or Anger that they got killed.

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"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"

[Jansen]

That'd be perfect. As well as all those juicy ships like the Slipstream and... what was it called? Shadow Assault Fighter? Something.

Good stuff.

If you say so.

That idea is interesting Tenacity, but I think you would have to go the way all the 'unique' factions have gone in order to get their fancy toys and bases. Make that thing work, fly around with a temporary solution for a while and then kindly ask if you could get things.

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[Treewyrm]

I see it this way...

Recreating might have been the case IF and only IF the players who led the faction, upon disbanding, have explicitly noted they would like others to have a try at it. They did not, and thus had no intention of seeing a continuation. In any case it would be up to them, players who led the faction, if they'd like to restart it, should they desire to, but not the others. That's just having a bit of politeness and basic sense of respect.

If you want to create something new - make something new, it's a harder path no doubt, but that's what it is, just don't use other factions (especially dead factions) to piggyback on them.

[Mao]

Honestly, I would rather see the ships replaced with something another faction needs (civilian fighters and bombers?) and the station and system removed.

That.

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[Death.RunningVerminator]

I like it. Makes sense to me, really. The stuff is there.. Why not use it? And space, they neither said don't make a new one or do make a new one. Though i suppose now you have Virus's answer.

[Alley]

Like I said to someone not so long ago, it's about who leads and who's member. Not to mention that the phantoms need an ID rewrite, which has been done somewhere already.

Some people have the guts and the patience to take on people who bitch at the void, and are especially interested in RP rather than PVP all the time.

Many players are PVP > RP, and it will lead to abuse with this kind of stuff.

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Alley was right.

[Stefz]

I like the idea of Phantoms being replaced by totaly new faction with different name/RP/everything. Also, I've always been happy to see Phantoms when they were alive. Not sure about stuff getting civilian though..

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