Discovery 4.86 Storyline: Kusari

[Ryummel]

Still don't think Kusari would need Wild to suddenly become active.

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[Rodent]

Right, we have two options to consider here.


One is working with the current storyline. In my opinion, this would require a hefty amount of cooperation between the various kusari factions, to organise activity, events and such. I've suggested incorporating the kusari unlawfuls into the Kusari governmental body in the past, and I'll do so again. Doing so allows the lawfuls and unlawfuls to work together to provide fair encounters and such.

Second option is adding a war. Going to a war with Gallia seems silly in my opinion, since the reason Kusari stopped the war and was humiliated was their massive defeat at their hands. They wouldn't be eager for a repeat. Besides, practically, only reason Bretonia is holding on is that Leeds has been fortified for years. Kusari has no such fortifications built on their end.

I'd think that Kusari would likely attempt to build defenses in the systems adjoining the Taus, since when you have an imperialist warmonger neighbour intent on conquest, war is a question of when, not if. They'd likely want to expand into the Sigmas to tap into it's resources.

This can be done either with the GMG or against the GMG. They can either agree that cooperation is necessary in face of the Gallia threat, or fight each other.

Either way, expanding into the Sigmas brings one of the largest playerbases into play. the Outcasts. This will do good things to Kusari, and inject activity. Provided you can rope the various Outcast groups in, it'd be even better.

That is my take on it.

[Markam]

I guess the only option in terms of war is the Outcasts/CR.

Going to need to obtain permission from Gallia to enter Tau-23 to get to Tau-37 though. KNF is severely weakened by the war, the storyline paints a very sad picture, on top of getting their fleet wrecked;lets say, they had 40-50 BS in 485 to Bretonias 30+, the GRN likely destroyed half of them in the pitched battles of Tau23, then Kogen took 4 of them, leaving anywhere between 10-20 Battleships, half the strength of what is considered also to be very weak; Bretonia.

But I guess there is no war, and numbers will eventually recover and they should surpass/equal current Bretonia in 487, the OC/Corsair fleet numbers are not going to be more than Kusari, so an incursion into Tau37 in order to stem the flow of drugs would be a good idea, it's pretty close to Kyushu anyway. There is also the Sigmas, but I think the Taus will provide more healthy activity/RPjustification.

This is all quite simple to do with just player actions and requires little input from mod developers, this or anything similar could be done tomorrow.

War with Gallia, Bretonia, Rheinland, GMG, etc is out of the question, Liberty I think is way too soon (if KNF partly recover in 487+ and Gallia advances into striking distance of Liberty they could perhaps) and has little mod lore backing.

[jammi]

1. Maybe even jointly engage Bretonia with Gallia, thus inciting a direct conflict between the Ronin and the KNF - seeing as Bretonia and Kusari never -did- sign even a truce (thus setting up the Ronin for a return to power if/when Gallia is defeated)?

2. But frankly, given that Kusari has largely legalized Hogosha/FA piracy, it's not really fun for lawfuls to be on the prowl for those. un-fun to be a lawful there.

1) The Kusari government were the ones who approved Bretonia regarding peace, then signed an armistice. From that I'd assume they'd be unwilling to break the peace. And if Bretonia has its way, the Ronin are never getting back in power, post-war or otherwise. They'd likely be arrested and served up to the Kishiro government for treason or something.

2) FA are now full illegal and Hogsha are forced to be semi-lawful by pirating outside house borders. I'd say things are looking up.

I'd think that Kusari would likely attempt to build defenses in the systems adjoining the Taus, since when you have an imperialist warmonger neighbour intent on conquest, war is a question of when, not if. They'd likely want to expand into the Sigmas to tap into it's resources.

Gallia has no use for H Fuel at the moment. They'd be more likely to want to seize Tau 29 and Manchester because of the Hydrocarbon fields. More to the point, why didn't they seize the Hydrocarbon fields in Tau 29? They belong to Samura, so Kishiro would have been perfectly happy to give them away to appease the GRN.

I guess the only option in terms of war is the Outcasts/CR.

CR now live in Coronado.

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[West]

KNF is severely weakened by the war, the storyline paints a very sad picture, on top of getting their fleet wrecked;lets say, they had 40-50 BS in 485 to Bretonias 30+, the GRN likely destroyed half of them in the pitched battles of Tau23, then Kogen took 4 of them, leaving anywhere between 10-20 Battleships, half the strength of what is considered also to be very weak; Bretonia.

no need to draw picture so grim if you don't know for sure.
We never had whole fleet in taus (what would then defend core space from pirates?) we had arround 60% from total... and yeah that fleet took heavy losses, mainly focusing on number of battleships(huge battleships in asteroid fields = easy target).
Maybe our BS strenght not so good as was previous.. but we for sure have more than 30bss + now we started to produce BC.

I've suggested incorporating the kusari unlawfuls into the Kusari governmental body in the past, and I'll do so again. Doing so allows the lawfuls and unlawfuls to work together to provide fair encounters and such.

To make events/activity you have to work with leaders of factions.. and acknowledge them about all what you want to do(still pointing on that your event:crazy:), no reason to make unlawfuls part of government + with current system "how governemnt works" there is no way unlawfuls will get any "free space" to take part in it.

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[Ceoran]

Still don't think Kusari would need Wild to suddenly become active.

/signed.

Gallia has no use for H Fuel at the moment. They'd be more likely to want to seize Tau 29 and Manchester because of the Hydrocarbon fields. More to the point, why didn't they seize the Hydrocarbon fields in Tau 29? They belong to Samura, so Kishiro would have been perfectly happy to give them away to appease the GRN.

Wrong. Samura gets Hydrocarbons from Fuchu. Nago is a Kishiro station. There are rumours back from vanilla how Kishiro gets their Hydrocarbons far cheaper than Samura now.

Concerning all those war-suggestions: Stop trying to force it. There's none right now that would make sense. Apart from maybe a civil war between Samura and Kishiro, but I guess that'd be against lore.
GMG: Nope, Kishiro loves them for whatever reason.
Gallia: Kishiro just won the staged election by ending that war. Sure, go ahead.
Outcasts: Apart from having to pass either gallic or GMG territory, which neither faction would like, how is Kusari supposed to win against them with a weakened military? The KNF didn't even manage to finish the Dragons and GC off in decades, why would they turn to a stronger pirate group? Apart from that, Hatchet-spam in Alpha would be the most silliest thing yet seen on the server.
Liberty: No matter how much the average Liberty playerbase would like it to happen, there's no reason for it.
Rheinland: I'm really surprised no one suggested yet to team up with the Corsairs against them.

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Go play the game, within the given limitations. That is how role play games are played. Not by trying to work around those limitations or whining about them.

[RmJ]

More furries and 8 year olds.





But seriously I see plenty of trading going through Kusari. But um open more profitable mineral fields within Kusari and problem solved.

That and erect some civil wars

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[Ryummel]

We never had whole fleet in taus (what would then defend core space from pirates?) we had arround 60% from total... and yeah that fleet took heavy losses, mainly focusing on number of battleships(huge battleships in asteroid fields = easy target).

INRP
During war time we had for example 1 patrol per 15 minutes = good gap for pirates to attack trader convoy, with return of remaining fleets now we have 1 patrol per 10 min = lover gap for pirates to attack traders (all inrp) so how INRP they can benefit from current situation?:lol:

So, back when Kusari had the 100% of its fleet in core space they still couldn't contain the Golden Chrysanthemum/Blood Dragon menace in Hokkaido plus the latter even managed to launch a succesful strike against the Arch. Now while at war with Bretonia, you say that the 60% of this fleet left Kusari core space and claim that the other 40% could still contain BD and GC. Whaaaat? Okay, no worries, this still gives a chance for BD/GC contacting groups such as IMG, Junkers and assorted independent groups to sneak materials to Ainu and Kyoto (All of this has been done via forum RP, by the way). Result? War machine of these two groups evolves with ease.

Now the Bretonia-Kusari war ends, the fleet which took heavy losses returns to Kusari and what's there now? BD and GC stronger in numbers and tools of war, mainly funded by IMG, GMG and Junkers PLUS the Farmers Alliance funded by Samura, a well-known goddamn rich corporation... And you still claim that KNF can contain them all? Sorry buuuuut nope, and not even a Battlecruiser can save the situation.

Wanna fix Kusari? Make it chaotic, civil war, unlawfuls pushing for territorial advance, or something that makes the House look like it was crushed and defeated after a lengthy and expensive war.

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[West]

So, back when Kusari had the 100% of its fleet in core space they still couldn't contain the Golden Chrysanthemum/Blood Dragon menace in Hokkaido plus the latter even managed to launch a succesful strike against the Arch.

sry.. when was that? in .82? or .83? INRP several years ago.

Now while at war with Bretonia, you say that the 60% of this fleet left Kusari core space and claim that the other 40% could still contain BD and GC. Whaaaat? Okay, no worries, this still gives a chance for BD/GC contacting groups such as IMG, Junkers and assorted independent groups to sneak materials to Ainu and Kyoto (All of this has been done via forum RP, by the way). Result? War machine of these two groups evolves with ease.

Yeap.. it may evolve.. but not to level where thay can openly stand toe to toe with Kusari Fleet.

Now the Bretonia-Kusari war ends, the fleet which took heavy losses returns to Kusari and what's there now? BD and GC stronger in numbers and tools of war, mainly funded by IMG, GMG and Junkers PLUS the Farmers Alliance funded by Samura, a well-known goddamn rich corporation... And you still claim that KNF can contain them all?

Cointain? Yes... defeat? No. Because we don't know locations of your bases... if we would... we would destroy them already.

You are not that BIG INRP as you want BD/GC/AFA to be. + even if you(BD) have 10k of population(not sure how many.. not my business) (1 base, 1 research station and 1 outpost) I'm not sure that more than 70% are pilots. So 7k(BD) 4k(GC) 4-5k(AFA) VS 100k+ of House navy.

You can claim whatever you want.. I can do the same, it won't change anything.

Wanna fix Kusari? Make it chaotic, civil war, unlawfuls pushing for territorial advance, or something that makes the House look like it was crushed and defeated after a lengthy and expensive war.

You don't have resources to protect space near "conquested" base... you may in one blow break thorugh KNF/Samura/Kishiro base defence.. but you don't have numbers to hold it.

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[Jansen]

You are not that BIG INRP as you want BD/GC/AFA to be. + even if you(BD) have 10k of population(not sure how many.. not my business) (1 base, 1 research station and 1 outpost) I'm not sure that more than 70% are pilots. So 7k(BD) 4k(GC) 4-5k(AFA) VS 100k+ of House navy.

Matsuda alone has some 3k population, but thats not what matters. The GC receives a lot of assistance from people within the Kusarian society. Those could cause Kusari quite a lot of trouble.

You don't have resources to protect space near "conquested" base... you may in one blow break thorugh KNF/Samura/Kishiro base defence.. but you don't have numbers to hold it.

That scenario only works if Kusari is HEAVILY crippled, which is quite likely after a long war which they lost. A lost war would make the civilians quite unlucky which would bring more support to the radical groups. More support for them means more power and larger numbers. Also, in a really crippled Kusari the KNF would barely be able to defend the state, so forces would be more or less equal.

I'd kinda like to have something like this happening.

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