Recently I made bounty hunter in liberty- I am happy- there are tons of lolwuts but I also met nice players too and had nice RP sessions/ PvP sessions, I especially give Kudos to one Junker Steelworker smuggler that managed to bribe me in order not to see his contraband, and to the lolwut Siege Cruiser pilot that charged battleships head to head- he gave me 7 m after I told him to buy LM and start to use it from range.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
' Wrote:The fact that two factions are at war with each other is sufficient role play in my eyes. Why should a soldier express his feelings about the enemy if he can just pull the trigger and show him his feelings. To be honest in my opinion it`s kinda dumb that two persons meet on a battlefield just to exchange some sentences with each other.
If you seek for RP you`ll have to face neutrals or friendlies who are not interested in seeing your ship explode. Or you interact with your enemy in noncombat vessels, showing them you are no thread to discuss politics, the weather, your curriculum vitae or whatever.
First of all - its still a game. We do not simulate reality, we play a game. If you want to debate that, fine, find me a buch of real space ships trading or fighting each other and we can continue the debate.
Your point of fiew reduces the RP server to a team death match server - join a faction and kill everything "hostile". Maybe you are on the wrong server?
While I was going back and forth from New York, there was some RP at Manhattan between the LN and the LR.
Also found a few Outcasts and traders doing some good RP and some other minor RP around Sirius, so I must be missing something.
But then again, I did just come back recently.
There is great RP happening around Sirius... maybe Liberty's the only one who "seems" to have a decrease because of the location of Penn next to it which most rookies come from.... plus the fact that almost 75% of pirates that I encounter always want to shoot me instantly... others flee before they even say a word...
RP is PvP in the sense that your character inevitably needs to enter combat to either make a living, defend themselves, (or in some cases) carry out their base RP (see: Phantoms).
However.
RP is not an EXCUSE to run around and shoot everything with little to no reason than a glorified 'red is dead' scenario.
I don't know what the situation is like on the server now, but it was pretty shocking when I buggered off.
well... didnt have muchas RP in the last few weeks.
most, the chatter i see on my screen is "4milordai!" - in such cases i dont chatter and just let guns do the RP right away.
in the rare cases there is someone who is up for a talk, I jump in.
Too many people out there who have no idea what RP means. need to be forced to visit the forums more.
I think I will just report every lolwut who broke a role in future (in case he broke any little rule).
so i hope he gets sanctioned and visits the forum to find out what happend to his ship/guns.
and maybe he'll have a look in here more often then.
' Wrote:A lot of factions on the server fulfill one of two roles...
A military force, partisan or otherwise...
And a corporate entity, interstellar or otherwise...
The RP of the combat forces tends to be fighting for there objective, and espousing there reasons for doing so. They have enemies with which they will fight on a constant basis, and if you are one of them, you can expect some very brief pre-combat\post-combat rp - but the real heart of the interaction is the fighting.
For the Corporate entities, the majority of there interactions will be while carrying out a task - such as moving cargo from point A to point B - whether on contract, or purely for individual profit. RP had will be while on the move, so it wont be a great deal - travel with them, and youll get a good deal of talking, drink sharing, story swapping, etc - but, as they say, time is money, and lollygaggin' about is no way to get credits earned (or contracts fulfilled)
You have some factions that dont fit this mold, and exist for purely individual reasons, like TAZ, whose members do just anything you can think of the environment.
Indie (non-faction) characters are where you get the large spikes - either in tremendous RP, or a tremendous lack of it.
RP is rich out in the game, I see it all the time - but the definitions of what IS and IS NOT RP is where the question comes. For a member of the ]bd[, RP doesnt come from sitting at a lane junction for an hour discussing politics with a Kusari Navy Pilot, though that is very possible - it is to come through each other testing there prowess against the other, and carrying the name of the slain with honor.
For a Gallic Royal Navy pilot, his rp comes with every single bolt of energy fired in the name of his King, and to know, that with each enemy slain, his people will thrive in the paradise that belongs to the strong.
I can probably go on, but the point stands - RP exists within PVP.
My advice - explore sirius, talk to everyone you meet, and if you've taken a side, don't be surprised if your shot by someone whose on the opposite.
' Wrote:That, a thousand times that.
However I know some on this server would take 'tutoring new players' to mean: "PM them and yell at them/threaten them until they RP" Or just simply do that without any misconception too.
Teaching new players to RP, or pming them and nicely pointing things out to them, or directing them to the forums is a good idea.
Another thing I STILL don't get that I noticed here was somebody saying the whole "Trying to RP in Liberty? lalala" thing.
Y'know it's attitudes like that that maybe drive people to avoid certain places/factions, which thusly strips more potential RP from happening.
That said, I strongly disagree that there's any problem RPing in Liberty.
Yes Liberty is where all the nubs start. But Liberty is also host to several factions with a lot of Veteran members of this community in them. A lot of people who RP quite well even.
Hell look at me, if you ever see me in game, if there's not a fight going on, all I do on my [LN] is fly around RPing or trying to get others to RP with me.
Encourage Roleplay, instead of saying LOL DON'T GO THERE. How about some of you guys ENCOURAGE people to go into different areas than usual, or try going there yourselves and start planting RP seeds. As a primarily Liberty based player I can say this:
Because of all the new players there, yes there's a lot of OORP stuff going on, but it's really pretty easy to tune out, and if you look in the right places there are plenty of people in Liberty during peak hours who are generally dedicated to the play-style namesake of this server.
EDIT: Also, I strongly disagree with OP's idea that Official factions, of all things, are behind the decrease in Roleplay on this server.
Sure there's some groups that gained Offical status and probably shouldn't have, but barring them, Official factions are generally host to some of the best Roleplayers that I know, on this server.
Also, PVP =/= RP. PVP is part of RP, but does not equal it..and I honestly hope that the people who said that here were not serious..
' Wrote:Have the same experience here. IngameRP has become some sort of luxury nowadays.
I see more RP inside the forums, than ingame.
Sad but true:
On RP-dry times I see more people on the server who believe that char-developing means getting better equipment.
When i joined a year ago i've met lots of people who did it right. People who understood that char-developing means
evolving your char's personality, point of view, opinion, morale, changing sides.
Those people are getting more and more rare.:sleep:
Im gonna quote these. All these guys (an gal) are right.
PVP is a direct reaction to RP. It is NOT a justification to hit the "Red Is Dead" button.
Take the SCRA for example. We take time to spout propoganda, or even warn civilians away before an engagement happens. We don't want to end up kiling possible defectors or the working people. In Gamma, we taunt and insult (INRP only) the Corsairs as we get ready to fight, usually having some nice back and forth.
I'd make an example for the GRN|, but we have no time but to drop notices or else we get engaged by Outcasts, CR, and BAF at the same time, not to mention KPT KuBCs. So, we're castrated. Because people want Blue Messages, and don't go by RP.
Now, Order|. I have had some excellent RP, even with my enemies. Hell, in mid 4.85 I acted as a decoy to allow a BHGC Thresher to escape from the RoS. And I escaped, because help arrived (and Illi lagged like hell and ended up being ZonerZoner'd to hell). I had fun with the roleplay that happened at the startpoint (FP11), and I knew they probably would engage me, but they did some good RP in the end before going HOLYWARDAI on me.
Also. Things won't change unless people get off thier asses and try and make the change. I always do my best to roleplay and help new guys at least get a brief, basic understanding of RP.
If everyone chose a newb and taught him to RP, we'd be doing fine.
this is the marketable term expressed in the development of freelancers multiplay. it was started by a game called freespace. Freespace was the king of online space combat at the time when freelancer came out and it was supported that official squads registered ward with others to take over systems or "nodes" by fighting on specific official mission maps.
I used to design these maps, and mod freelancer a great deal thats what landed me my job with crytek a milion years ago. The thing is at the time.. the genre was one of the largest trying to be copied.. it was an inkling of.. what was coming into true fruition ie MMo's.
every company wanted to have ad revenue and community interest in thier products and as badly as it was managed with freelancer this is what lies at the core of the multiplay aspect now. It was designed for squadwar.
On the role play aspect. Im sure these days acquiring a freelancer cd and the mod has more to do with the fact disco is the only server in the freelancer community with this kind of life. Call it a fluke.. call it satan call it one of the few alternatives thats free and worth exploring but whatever the cause discovery is discovery and folks who've been here through a few versions of the mod can fully feel what i mean by that.
Vlados problem is a simple one.. he aint looking hard enough.
Personally if his lpi wants tons of rp he needs to look into the rp heavy factions, the rp is out there and yes its hidden behind the armchair mole-person adrenaline rush junkies that get off on shooting sparkling dots into your ship. There is some expectation that you must arrange or set up abit of rp. but not too much.
I get alot of requests for nomad related rp that merely an induction to getting tech.. do you think im believing rp is being considered a means to an end? Yes for some but regardless of the occasional pirate that wants this or that from said factions the role play itself isnt about you being special or your character getting cyber laid or anything goofy as achieving this or that.
its about the story being told. the entertainment it instills. That takes a effort from you and the other party often without expectations of any kind what..so..ever.
If you have specific rp "needs" like good cop bad cop i suggest donning a secondlife viewer and go searching there.. there alot of kinks that are specifically catered to in that place.. and it might be more your speed.
but as far as this place is concerned.. some days are better then others lpi has a specific duty and the official faction should facilitate inter faction rp to its maximum. if they are not feel free to start your own unit.. and work from there.
Im not suggesting or saying anything I myself has had to do.. even when i joined the keepers from morphood i had to make my own rp make my own faction to facilitate it. and thankfully you can too.
We just sent a new version of the mod out a couple months ago, so naturally we have an influx of new people who are completely ignoring the forums, downloading it without reading the lore, and all the get rule wise are those chat pop ups in game saying not to reengage.
We do advertise as an RP server, but we do have several major conflicts that people are dying to get into without bothering to know what is going on.... the Liberty Rheinland War...the Corsair Outcast conflict (even though now it seems to be Corsairs VS Hessians because they never fight the Outcasts in the Sigmas anymore) and the Gallic war. Same thing in the Omicrons with the Order and BHG, this is what happens when you stick the two factions with some of the best ships together in one room... people will want to fight there without bothering to know why. And how do they do that? Silently mine or powertrade, using numbers, profit VS loss calculations rather than routes that would in RP benefit their group, crew, or corporation... I have seen Synth Foods ships hauling capacitors and Interspace hauling artifacts with Kishiro IFFs. They see trading as a stupid necessity, the bad thing to counteract the really awesome feeling of finally getting a battleship...which they do not know the first thing about playing or even flying one. And then they name it something stupid like LNS-Drop-that-booty or RNC-Donuts which makes me cry inside.
Frankly I do not know how to limit the amount of stupid on the server. We will have powertraders, lolwut red dead engagement players....etc. We could limit capital ships to wait on approval again, and make all corporate IDs official faction IDs to prevent anyone but them from getting the 'best' tradeships. But ultimately these ideas would both offer very little in return for a ton more work forum, moderator, and admin wise.
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