Allow raids into Main Systems to wake up lazy defenders

[Jihadjoe]

What you are ignoring here is that "non cooperative individuals" are not all anarchists who love big ships and feed on human misery, but can also be people who are playing the game according to the rules, common sense, and mutual respect between players.

That is an assumption and a wrong one. I did not say that. I said that the response is to the behaviour, not to the assumed behaviour.

And the reason he isn't cooperating with the official faction is that what they saw from the official faction had nothing to do with those 3 things, but only had to do with a 15-25 year olds drunk with power. Just because those banded together to form a group doesnt mean they are more capable of moral judgement.

This is an assumption. You are trying to speak for many people who identify themselves as "I". That is impossible. You are a little bit daft for trying.

In positions of power in functional "societies", those who are given power are trained and tested if they are able to handle it properly, and are allowed to be criticized if they arent.

And here I take criticism. If it is valid I would have no argument against it, and as such my behaviour would change in accordance. You are quite allowed to cast your criticism, however I am finding that your criticism is lacking both in its informed nature and in what it is actually trying to say. Thus far, your criticism has come from many different approaches, and most of them are directly contradictory to one another. You are giving criticism from a point of ignorance, as evidenced by your lack of awareness of the current climate. This means that the vast majority of what you are saying, is invalid.

Here, the only factor that they are tested in is if they "cooperate" with they people in power or not. In those kind of systems (pretty much any dictature), selfish people, idiots, and brutes without morals rise to power. Thats why democracies are generally doing better than dictatorships.

Are you suggesting that I am selfish, idiotic or a brute? That may be an interesting line of argument.

I would also suggest that here the ability to lead is only given by those who choose to follow. An inadequate leader will have fewer people choosing to follow their lead. After all, you will find that each and every one of us chooses the ship they fly, whether or not to apply to a faction, and whether or not to listen to someone. They also choose whether or not to play here...

pure hatred including racist slurs about native americans and eastern europeans

I find the language used by certain people in certain threads utterly inappropriate. I concur that racist slurs are not acceptable behaviour.

Infact, I would suggest that having a name based around the eastern native american indians, with pictures of Arizona and people of the plains nations is something akin to cultural rape... So if there were to be any accusation of racism towards native americans, then perhaps you are pointing it in the wrong direction. Just maybe...

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[AshHill07]

As the OP, I'd ask for the thread to be closed. I can do that as OP, can't I?

I came to the conclusion that the initial idea of allowing raids into the system would not be such a good idea because players who do not want to be a part of the shooting would likely be the primary target for raiders.

Also... as the fighting spirit seems restored and the fights over the last few days were really good and fun, I think the main reason why it was created is gone.

So... please... lock

It could have pontentially been an OK idea. Had it not been INCREADIBLY poorly timed.
(Litterally minuites after ex-2te just finnished up annilateing the LN by gate camping AGAIN. I still see them camping Norfolk instead should this go though.)

The only general problem I can think of is that people like to be *insert rude word* to other people, especially over the internet. I gurantee you that the second this rule got changed, within a week you'd have some guys from some group, probably one you never thought of, parked in some factions capital, just flying around and ganking everyone they see.
Unfortunatly, although I'm sure many of the people posting on this topic would never do that, I also know for a fact there are people on the server who would. You still get Outcast Battleships siegeing Manhatten every other day, proves case in point.

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[Reptile]

i want go sleep,but i will not,because i want say something!
Lets play a game? Who wanna be millionaire!
Right anwswer will be market as [X]

RNC ships are in one group and all in Hamburg(Bering\Hudson),what does it mean?
A.They talking about life and hard work.
B.They preparing for patroling Rheinland
C.They preparing for raid Texas[X]
D.They forget to off their computers

RNC are camping Gates,what you will do?
A.I will jump there and kill them all,because i have BS and i want medal for honor.
B.I will stay in NY and will wait when they will go back to Rheinland.
C.I will cry on forum,that they are block my best way to Texas to win them.
D.I will regroup with other ships in NY,will send scouts to look where are they and will go to Virginia\California\NY\Penn JH,where they will not block the way to system.[X]

They staying near Mississippi and blocked all ways to attack them(you are on the planet),what you will do?
A.I will undock and will kill them all,because i have BS and Misissipi are guaranty of my safe fight.
B.I will undock and will wait others for attack
C.I will cry on forum that i have no choice to win this gank.
D.I will ask bombers to shot them,and when they will be busy will go for regroup or start counter-attack them [X]

RNC has many turtles in Texas,what you must do with this gank?
A.You have BS\LABC and you alone will kill them all like a Rambo
B.You will cry on forum that this is not real to kill 4-5 turtles.
C.You will do group with bigger number of BS and will sit in NY.
D.You will send first bombers for broking their formation and then go to not blocked JH for regrouping in Texas and will assault them in long range fight.[X]

You have Navy ship,what you must do with it?
A.Do screens with him for my worktable on computer. :3
B.Showing to other noobs that you are now a BIG COOL GUY,and you can kill others in one shot.
C.You will talking with enemies about their life,problems,mothers and wifes and drink tea with them in space.
D.You will fight with enemies and always trying to use new tactics with your better skill.[X]

If you prefer [X] variants - you have a brain and you win 1 million!If not - i think you not need to fight.This is will broke your day,and maybe life...better take transport fly,trade and be not ganked by 100500 BS from RHeinland.

P.S.please,say to me,how many we crying here about our deaths?I was ganked by 6 bombers,but this is fight,and im trying to win- i know i have chance and i must try to win again and again,Whining will not give me more skill.So do your choice,be strong and fight,or cry again and again that you losing some battle.

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Wrote:
~Please leave this community, please. You'd be doing everyone a favour.
~Nikita. Please. Go play sims.
~Nikita, stop acting like that... you are just embarrassing yourself.
~Your way to win may be within rules, but you still break Rule 0.0 be excellent to eachother.
~but please just keep it to the Russian Discord chats and off the forums. We're tired of reading it.
then you will see 70 players online in this way. -me
2012©
RNC|MND-Gepard

[Madvillain]

as the fighting spirit seems restored

great observation jack.

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[Jihadjoe]

P.S.please,say to me,how many we crying here about our deaths?I was ganked by 6 bombers,but this is fight,and im trying to win- i know i have chance and i must try to win again and again,Whining will not give me more skill.So do your choice,be strong and fight,or cry again and again that you losing some battle.

If only I'd screenshotted those PMs.

Pity.

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[Timbuktu]

What you are ignoring here is that "non cooperative individuals" are not all anarchists who love big ships and feed on human misery, but can also be people who are playing the game according to the rules, common sense, and mutual respect between players.

That is an assumption and a wrong one. I did not say that. I said that the response is to the behaviour, not to the assumed behaviour.

Some may wish to not join the official faction and not cooperate with it.
These people are often those who wish to immediately fly a larger ship, and could not give a monkeys about much aside from their own judgement.

You make those assumptions on them right there.

And the reason he isn't cooperating with the official faction is that what they saw from the official faction had nothing to do with those 3 things, but only had to do with a 15-25 year olds drunk with power. Just because those banded together to form a group doesnt mean they are more capable of moral judgement.

This is an assumption. You are trying to speak for many people who identify themselves as "I". That is impossible. You are a little bit daft for trying.

I'm elaborating what some of the people may have seen before they chose not to cooperate, based on what I saw. Nowhere did I say that everybody saw things like that, although I do know for a fact that a lot of people did, because I saw many when they saw it, and have talked about it with others.
Your assumption that those people are all refering to themselves as "I" and never as "we" is also somewhat daring, nor is it relevant to the matter. Everybody refers to themselves as "I", so your assumption that it's impossible for someone to speak for them is also somewhat daft. I guess you were tring to sound sociological. Or something.

In positions of power in functional "societies", those who are given power are trained and tested if they are able to handle it properly, and are allowed to be criticized if they arent.

And here I take criticism. If it is valid I would have no argument against it, and as such my behaviour would change in accordance. You are quite allowed to cast your criticism, however I am finding that your criticism is lacking both in its informed nature and in what it is actually trying to say.

Sorry but I do have the feeling that you didn't take the criticism of "maybe the LN should asks themselves WHY indies don't cooperate" very well. And that's exactly what I've been trying to tell you. Why. And at least 2 people here have already told you the same thing. But you keep shouting THATS NOT TRUEEE instead of accepting the information that we are giving you, calling us uninformed. Cant help but think "I"/"we" hit a nerve there somewhere.

Thus far, your criticism has come from many different approaches, and most of them are directly contradictory to one another.

No actually it was always the same thing, the thing I mentioned above. But you somehow seem to keep being in denial.

Show me the contradiction please. It sounds like you're just saying it because you ran out of things to say to stay in denial.

You are giving criticism from a point of ignorance, as evidenced by your lack of awareness of the current climate. This means that the vast majority of what you are saying, is invalid.

Maybe your perception of "the current climate" is largely affected by what the people you hang out with tell you, and very little by people that you dont hang out with tell you. It may also be affected by your strict denial to accept things what those particular people tell you.

Here, the only factor that they are tested in is if they "cooperate" with they people in power or not. In those kind of systems (pretty much any dictature), selfish people, idiots, and brutes without morals rise to power. Thats why democracies are generally doing better than dictatorships.

Are you suggesting that I am selfish, idiotic or a brute? That may be an interesting line of argument.

I'm suggesting exactly what I said there, about certain ways of running things leading to certain trends.

I would also suggest that here the ability to lead is only given by those who choose to follow. An inadequate leader will have fewer people choosing to follow their lead.

It's not difficult to get many people to follow you, as long as you dont care who follows you or for what reason. Please the brutes and brutes will follow you, please the idiots and idiots will follow you, please the selfish people and selfish people will follow you. Pleasing the reasonable people is more difficult, because you'll actually have to know what is reasonable yourself.

pure hatred including racist slurs about native americans and eastern europeans

I find the language used by certain people in certain threads utterly inappropriate. I concur that racist slurs are not acceptable behaviour.

Infact, I would suggest that having a name based around the eastern native american indians, with pictures of Arizona and people of the plains nations is something akin to cultural rape... So if there were to be any accusation of racism towards native americans, then perhaps you are pointing it in the wrong direction. Just maybe...

Care to tell me how that is any different from the "cultural rape" of japanese, brits, germans, hispanics, and (the other) americans that is going on in Freelancer? (also french people in discovery)

Or are some human beings simply more equal than others? Oh yeah... you already said that they were.

[Alley]

you're still at this
wow

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Alley was right.

[Timbuktu]

I try to help in any way I can.

[Dashiell]

So will I.

We're done here.

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