I bet that "renewable green" companies pay them in order to sell their low efficient and high-resource consuming products.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
sounds epic, mining on the moon. However what the US military doesn't like to disclose is that in the thousands of classified patents they've collected over the last hundred years, they have already solved the energy crisis. with these technologys enjoying great private success, and now recent public success, they all make any resource collection and extraction projects obsolete.
-Free energy (self propelled momentum energy)
-Wireless free energy (harnessing ionization from the space around us)
-Subspace energy from self contained subspace 'vacule'
- Antimatter
Tesla came up with the first 2, both buried for the obvious effects it would have on a social grid created by the government to keep the population on a short leash (i.e. fossile fuels, exhuastable energy). The latter 2 are recent developments that the military have been working on since the 50's just after einstein discovered subspace during the Philidelphia experiment. Drawing energy from subspace will be the most ultimate energy source, and anti-matter would wield far more than any nuclear power we've come across so far. Civilian progress in these fields have been purposely stiffled be the military to keep civilians from ever gaining access to the technology. Rest assured that the US military and a few others are well practiced in the employment of subspace technology. It started out for stealth systems, radar evasion, electromagnetic jamming, ect. Eventually they cracked how the create gravametric fields, or 'antigrav' drives. All of this unlocked a whole new world of energy usage that they withold in order to keep everyone dependent on the big corporations and governments.
This is why the US discontinued their shuttle program, and with it its only public civilian manned spaceflight program. With the space infrstructure in orbit, you'd think they'd be a little more on the ball when it comes to keeping people in space, right? wrong, the US airforce has had its own, paralelle, classified space program running in behind NASA since the 50s, and they already have FTL capability, subspace energy usage, inertial dampening, etc. This is why Obama cancelled the 'return to the moon' program bush created, and ended the shuttle program with no replacement in effect. They have technology, ships and craft capable of interplanetary travel and yes interstellar travel for years now. No need to keep funding nasa, except for mars rover charades.
TheUnforgiven you read too many conspiracy theories and such. May be you awaited the world to end last year or you believe in Reptiles and Illuminates.
If anyone had the said technologies why they should not use it but hide it?
Mind that the said energy sources can be used for military purpose quite efficiently.
If we suppose for a moment that your claims are true and the said government/military had the mindset that you give them what stops them to clean up our overpopulated Planet?
In reality the US army uses 50-70 years old technology like all of the other armies in the world. Indeed they have DERPA and some innovative robotic developments but still their main force consist of comparable to the rest of the world technologies.
The truth about space shuttles is that they are old and inefficient so NASA made tender for replacement with newer and better vehicles.
In fact NASA distributed contracts to private more efficient sub-contractors to supply the ISS like SpaceX.
The government controlled research programs tend to be a way more expensive then the private controlled for obvious reasons. USA is in bankruptcy so they cut costs. Obama cut badly NASA funding.
On the other side- moon Base is not science-fiction like sub-space energy, the russians had made the modules for it and it was ready for shipping in the 70s but they found that it makes no economical sense for them to do it, check on the Zvezda project if you want.
Also note that the total cost of 12,5 years service for the russian Mir station was between 3 and 4 Billion $. This is peanuts compared with the money that all space capable nations give for their conventional militaries annually.
Now the He-3 is game changer- Russia would send their first base element Luna-Glob in 2015 note that the funding of the whole program 2013-2020 70B $ is less then the russian military annual cost ( about 100 B$ annually)
China plans to build manned base on Moon till 2020, meanwhile Japan plans to establish permanent unmanned robot base.
That is the facts the rest is conspiracy theory.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
(10-09-2013, 04:55 PM)Agmen of Eladesor Wrote: No, no dangers whatsoever... Remember, we're not talking about removing 1 million tons from the moon per year, only 70 ...
Have you studied ANY science or math whatsoever?
So you think I am some uneducated child or something?
Everyone here seems to forget how big business works. Say humanity does get to the moon and can cost effectively mine HE3, do you honestly think they would ONLY mine a certain amount each year and stop? I don't think so. The cost of maintaining a mining base on the moon (whether automated or manned) would entice whatever company sponsored said activity to mine out the fuel as fast and as much as possible. It probably would be into the millions of tons per year.
Besides, as long as the oil companies have their hands into the governments of the world, it won't come to light anyway. You'll be lucky if your great grand children see it happen.
Again, planetary body we're talking about here, even if it IS Luna.
For purposes of making you happy, let's say that they do manage to use assorted mass drivers and other things and reduce the mass of the moon by an entire 1 million tonnes per year. That's completely ignoring the minor detail about mining operations, which is the creation of waste piles. That's why, for example, they process on average 30 tons of rock to get one ounce of gold. All they do is MOVE the rock from one place to another, they don't just pick it up and throw it all away - same thing you'd have happen with H3. Gee, they find gold on the moon and only have to process 1 ton of rock to get 1 ounce of gold - that means the ton of rock (less the one ounce) is dumped back on the surface of the moon, not simply ejected into space to be lost forever. And even if it was ...
It'd probably take, oh, removal of 2% of the mass for it to have any real or appreciable effect upon the tides on earth.
7.2 x 10^19 tonnes ...Hell, let's be generous and say that you only have to remove 0.01% of that mass for it to have an effect. That's only 7.2 x 10^15 tonnes. Or, just so you grasp the size of the number here, 7,200,000,000,000,000 tonnes that they'd have to REMOVE to make a difference. At a pace of 1,000,000 tonnes per year - again, we're going to worry about something that occurs further into the future than the entire universe has been in existence, and why?
Do I think you're an uneducated child? No, I don't have to think what you've just proven.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
(10-10-2013, 01:11 AM)Divine Wrote: Earth is not "overpopulated".
It is , out planet needs time to re-generate the resources that we use. Since around 15 years we use more then the Earth capacity to regenerate in one year time.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
I don't think that's overpopulation. That's just overconsumption. Overpopulation would be the Earth being unable to sustain us if we weren't using more than we need.
(10-09-2013, 11:33 PM)TheUnforgiven Wrote: ...they already have FTL capability, subspace energy usage, inertial dampening, etc. This is why Obama cancelled the 'return to the moon' program bush created, and ended the shuttle program with no replacement in effect.
I just laughed so hard that I choked on my own tongue.
(10-10-2013, 09:59 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: I don't think that's overpopulation. That's just overconsumption. Overpopulation would be the Earth being unable to sustain us if we weren't using more than we need.
Eventually they become the same thing.
The rare sub-species of human that gives out info that nobody actually cares about...
(10-09-2013, 11:33 PM)TheUnforgiven Wrote: ...they already have FTL capability, subspace energy usage, inertial dampening, etc. This is why Obama cancelled the 'return to the moon' program bush created, and ended the shuttle program with no replacement in effect.
I just laughed so hard that I choked on my own tongue.
(10-10-2013, 09:59 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: I don't think that's overpopulation. That's just overconsumption. Overpopulation would be the Earth being unable to sustain us if we weren't using more than we need.
Eventually they become the same thing.
LOL that reaction is exactly why they get away with what they do. everything that people can't handle about the true scientific devolpment of the US airforce and DARPA turns into a conspiracy theory. When you actually learn about these things you get the info that is needed to make a real judgement. They don't want civilians or other governments having this technology, and events like 9/11 were done to allow them to pass a bunch of 'laws' to let them clamp down on civilian development. Would you want just anyone havning access to FTL capability? or antimatter warheads? How would we regulate or control such things in the public? Well they wouldnt so its kept classified. Yes, it is a conpsiracy. Thats what you call it when a bunch of people do stuff behind the backs of others. It sounds crazy because they inject truth into media, and use it to build up a mental resistance in the minds of the public. Public opinion on this matter is highly engineered by intel agencies, and such reaction is the desired result. Honestly the majority of the population can't understand any of this technology so they just ignore what's happening.