How to balance/remove/nerf Jump trading for real.

[Lythrilux]

Just face it, pirates have a hard life, that is the brutal inrp consequence of being an unlawful.

What gives Traders the right to have everything served to them on a silver plate? We're all players, we should put a group of a higher pedestal than others.

Actually no not really, because piracy has much less of a risk.

Hah. I suggest you leave this thread and come back when you've pirated your first trader. In all seriousness, I'm giving you some constructive criticism, it's hard to take your arguments seriously.

plus you get to harass people. In return you don't get to blow up jump traders so what.

"waaaaaah, stop RPing space bullies!"
Ok, so that statement might have some truth, but like I said space is dangerous.

(http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=116238) that allows a pursuer who has a jd to follow a jumped ship, which I think would be good enough for your nefarious purposes. You should consider it a more appropriate attempt at balance.
However Jump Trading is a cool feature and should not be removed.

Or
Balance it with CDable Jumpdrives, as well as implementing my suggestion. Both of which are 100x simplier than your suggestion.

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[Lythrilux]

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Its seems that you are the spokes person of the elits, with the countless remove threads you keep creating. Yes my arguement actually stands, in contrast to what you have said. I also realized that you have gained atleast 500 posts in 1 week, doing precisely what I have argued for - creating threads and pushing unwanted things on the basis of few. I have alot of things in my head as well, I just don't force them on anyone or pretend to know them and use the 21st language distortion to my advantange. When you say that newbies don't deserve such technologies, or in your fantasy world - are dangerious - you are to be discredited right away. Seriously, I'm just wondering who made you god to say such aweful and disgusting things? You think this is north korea here? Newbies deserve as much as respect as everyone else, plus the things that everyone else deserve. If you have such a big problem with them, do what I do - and teach them. Infact, I am puzzled that even the people who support your outragous ideas dont have the moral standpoint to atleast tell you that what you have said is completely foolish and outright barbaric.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[lIceColon]

Just face it, pirates have a hard life, that is the brutal inrp consequence of being an unlawful.

What gives Traders the right to have everything served to them on a silver plate? We're all players, we should put a group of a higher pedestal than others.

Traders have the hassle of tradering. Contrary to your belief, it does actually take effort to avoid pirates. The system is balanced.
Unfortunately your "rights" are inversely porportionate to a trader's right to survival.

Actually no not really, because piracy has much less of a risk.

Hah. I suggest you leave this thread and come back when you've pirated your first trader. In all seriousness, I'm giving you some constructive criticism, it's hard to take your arguments seriously.

Of course I've pirated traders in the past. Not a lot obviously, I eventually came to the conclusion that piracy isn't my thing.

plus you get to harass people. In return you don't get to blow up jump traders so what.

"waaaaaah, stop RPing space bullies!"
Ok, so that statement might have some truth, but like I said space is dangerous.

For pirates especially.

(http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=116238) that allows a pursuer who has a jd to follow a jumped ship, which I think would be good enough for your nefarious purposes. You should consider it a more appropriate attempt at balance.
However Jump Trading is a cool feature and should not be removed.

Or
Balance it with CDable Jumpdrives, as well as implementing my suggestion. Both of which are 100x simplier than your suggestion.

Cruise engines are CD-able because you can restart them indefinite amount of times. You make JDs CD-able, then they deserve a serious buff in regards to fuel consumption or charge time etc. to balance out the weakness.
In contrast, my proposal takes a bit of programming which I'm sure some adventurous mod programmer will take on with enough support, and if it succeeds then it will be able to solve both the issue of jumping battleships and jump traders being "unpirateable".

The reason JDs aren't CD'able is because its not as simple as you present it.
You look at the convoluted modern life - asinine engineers fussing to squeeze that extra 1% of performance out of that machine, and ask "why can't we go back to a simpler time". Then you inspect our history, the strife of our ancestors more carefully and realize that for all its complications, modern technology is ultimately for the better. The improvements which although entailed vast amounts of work, ultimately turned out to yield mostly desired results, and slowly but surely technology is still improving to phase out the problems.

[Lythrilux]

Its seems that you are the spokes person of the elits, with the countless remove threads you keep creating.

I have a lot on my mind, and a lot of ideas on how to improve the mod. I also speak for the people.

Yes my arguement actually stands, in contrast to what you have said. I also realized that you have gained atleast 500 posts in 1 week, doing precisely what I have argued for - creating threads and pushing unwanted things on the basis of few.

So what if I gain more posts. I just talk a lot. I don't feel that what I push is unwanted. I have people agreeing with me on this thread, and agreeing with me on my other suggestion threads.

I have alot of things in my head as well, I just don't force them on anyone or pretend to know them and use the 21st language distortion to my advantange.

Language distortion?

When you say that newbies don't deserve such technologies, or in your fantasy world - are dangerious - you are to be discredited right away. Seriously, I'm just wondering who made you god to say such aweful and disgusting things? You think this is north korea here? Newbies deserve as much as respect as everyone else, plus the things that everyone else deserve. If you have such a big problem with them, do what I do - and teach them.

Respect isn't given. It's earned. That's the natural order of things. We don't give people admin rights as soon as they make their first character on day one. If you want big shiny toys, you need to present yourself in such a way to show that you're entitled to be allowed such toys.
I don't have a god complex, I just see things with sense and an open mind.
And no, this isn't north korea. This is a forum for a mod for a very old video game. We don't do public executions (or do we, in the form of bans? ), but people have to earn their place.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I always help newbies, I actually enjoy it. I was an Angel once, I left the faction. I find it's much easier to help people in a more natural environment, around Sirius and the like.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Its seems that you are the spokes person of the elits, with the countless remove threads you keep creating.

I have a lot on my mind, and a lot of ideas on how to improve the mod. I also speak for the people.

Yes my arguement actually stands, in contrast to what you have said. I also realized that you have gained atleast 500 posts in 1 week, doing precisely what I have argued for - creating threads and pushing unwanted things on the basis of few.

So what if I gain more posts. I just talk a lot. I don't feel that what I push is unwanted. I have people agreeing with me on this thread, and agreeing with me on my other suggestion threads, but what I mean in the second is self-evident.

I have alot of things in my head as well, I just don't force them on anyone or pretend to know them and use the 21st language distortion to my advantange.

Language distortion?

When you say that newbies don't deserve such technologies, or in your fantasy world - are dangerious - you are to be discredited right away. Seriously, I'm just wondering who made you god to say such aweful and disgusting things? You think this is north korea here? Newbies deserve as much as respect as everyone else, plus the things that everyone else deserve. If you have such a big problem with them, do what I do - and teach them.

Respect isn't given. It's earned. That's the natural order of things. We don't give people admin rights as soon as they make their first character on day one. If you want big shiny toys, you need to present yourself in such a way to show that you're entitled to be allowed such toys.
I don't have a god complex, I just see things with sense and an open mind.
And no, this isn't north korea. This is a forum for a mod for a very old video game. We don't do public executions (or do we, in the form of bans? ), but people have to earn their place.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I always help newbies, I actually enjoy it. I was an Angel once, I left the faction. I find it's much easier to help people in a more natural environment, around Sirius and the like.

I see, so normal human discourse toward newbies is a thing of the past according to you. Also, According to you, respect is earned, do please shed some light on a few things, like - open markets, free licensing, empowerment of women, these are all things that should be earned according to you and none of them actually belongs to the free movement and unwavering freedom to purchase whatever people want, or do as they please. Tell me, Do I also have to earn tap water? Everything in this game is open-market, except unique ships and IDS, so until the admins pull the plug on this issue, newbies will and should buy anything they want. Plus I feel the irony that people should earn your particular respect to purchase things, as you clearly not in favor of the weak&newbie.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Lythrilux]

Just face it, pirates have a hard life, that is the brutal inrp consequence of being an unlawful.

What gives Traders the right to have everything served to them on a silver plate? We're all players, we should put a group of a higher pedestal than others.

Traders have the hassle of tradering. Contrary to your belief, it does actually take effort to avoid pirates. The system is balanced.
Unfortunately your "rights" are inversely porportionate to a trader's right to survival.

Logging off or just taking an alternate route to avoid a pirate isn't as difficult as it sounds. Sure though, I can adapt to that (as a pirate). The system isn't balanced though, didn't you read my piracy thread?

Actually no not really, because piracy has much less of a risk.

Hah. I suggest you leave this thread and come back when you've pirated your first trader. In all seriousness, I'm giving you some constructive criticism, it's hard to take your arguments seriously.

Of course I've pirated traders in the past. Not a lot obviously, I eventually came to the conclusion that piracy isn't my thing.

That seems to contradict the JM app. Your statements and methodology seems outdated.

plus you get to harass people. In return you don't get to blow up jump traders so what.

"waaaaaah, stop RPing space bullies!"
Ok, so that statement might have some truth, but like I said space is dangerous.

For pirates especially.

Indeed. But for Traders? Not so much. I don't believe Piracy and Trading should have equal forms of risk, however Traders have got it really easy for them right now.

(http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=116238) that allows a pursuer who has a jd to follow a jumped ship, which I think would be good enough for your nefarious purposes. You should consider it a more appropriate attempt at balance.
However Jump Trading is a cool feature and should not be removed.

Or
Balance it with CDable Jumpdrives, as well as implementing my suggestion. Both of which are 100x simplier than your suggestion.

Cruise engines are CD-able because you can restart them indefinite amount of times. You make JDs CD-able, then they deserve a serious buff in regards to fuel consumption or charge time etc. to balance out the weakness.
In contrast, my proposal takes a bit of programming which I'm sure some adventurous mod programmer will take on with enough support, and if it succeeds then it will be able to solve both the issue of jumping battleships and jump traders being "unpirateable".

Or, you know, take the simpler and more efficient solution instead of programming something entirely new.
Jumpdrives current have zero weaknesses. The balance is either making them CDable and/or doing the solution I proposed in the OP.

The reason JDs aren't CD'able is because its not as simple as you present it.

It's quite simple. A minor change just needs to be added to the plugin and it's good to go.

You look at the convoluted modern life - asinine engineers fussing to squeeze that extra 1% of performance out of that machine, and ask "why can't we go back to a simpler time". Then you inspect our history, the strife of our ancestors more carefully and realize that for all its complications, modern technology is ultimately for the better. The improvements which although entailed vast amounts of work, ultimately turned out to yield mostly desired results, and slowly but surely technology is still improving to phase out the problems.

Whatever. We're playing a space videogame. We need to balance it's faults.

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[Lythrilux]

Everything in this game is open-market, except unique ships and IDS, so until the admins pull the plug on this issue, newbies will and should buy anything they want. Plus I feel the irony that people should earn your particular respect to purchase things, as you clearly not in favor of the weak&newbie.

You have to earn money to buy a ship. It's not given to you straight away. You have to work for it. That's an example of how newbies need to earn their keep.
However I believe the current system isn't enough, and we need more measures in place so that such technologies are only given out to those who can be trusted with them.
People don't have to earn my respect to buy anything. But they should earn the respect of the general community, as well as the admin team.
No, I'm not in favour of complete newbies playing around with things that can earn them billions in a few hours. That leads the same newbies to end up buying all sort of capital ships. They're the people who spam ')))' in system chat and open fire on things with litle to no RP.

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[lIceColon]

Lets just try to re-analyze the OP:

Make it so that any ship that has more than 1,900 cargo space cannot jump alongside a Jumpship using JD MK4.
>Barges and large transports can no longer jump trade
>JD MK4 can still be used to jump combat ships into battle, which was it's intended purpose.
Result: As said above, Jumpdrives can still be used for combat, which should be it's primary purpose.

Excuse me. Did someone die and make you god of Disco, so you can just designate purpose to the players playing here? We all play for varying reasons, just because someone uses the JD4 different than the way you use it does not make it any less valid.
Stop your crusade of removal to limit other people's use of the game under the guise of whatever illusion of nobility you might have.

And we can say goodbye to money-hungry anti-RP jump traders.

If you've ever made more than 1 mil in Disco, then saying this makes you a hypocrite.
Fact: There is nothing wrong with being "money hungry", as long as the methods to acquire it is within server rules, which it is. Jump trading is not harmful to the server either, jump traders are not destroying anything aside from your blue message. It is you who is harmful to the server in your nerflancer crusades to remove all the fun from the game in the false notion of "balance".
The result would be a completely balanced game devoid of any useful advanced equipment because those are considered "op"

RP

In RP, jump trading is the end-all, the epitome - the peak so to speak. In RP, your pirate would know that with his abilities, pirating a jump convoy would be almost impossible.

1) Space is dangerous
2) Space ain't fair. Your pirate knows that, and so should you.

[Sath]

Tel, you just talk things out of context, that are in no way going to improve the quality of RP here. You havent met the jumptraders and you are just talking things imaginatively for godsake. This is, in no, way improving the RP here, and just degrading the little RP that is left over in this server.

You can take your philosophical talks elsewhere, unless you have solid proof of what you speak. Until then, it is all fairytales, like one of the guy who was speaking here about pirating jump traders, when he has never even pirated at all. You are beginning to look like one of those.