Tweak Core 1 POB's for battle bases(?)(or add a player built WP)

[Binski]

Base deployment, core upgrade, and modules building should be just made with single high-cost items, instead of current grind.

Something like, 100-200 mils for deployment item, 300-500 mils for core upgrade items, 100-200 mils for utility upgrades, 200-300 for manufacture ones, 400-500 for WP.

This will move traders on common routes, will make base solely economical problem and not a time one, introduce money sinks, will make base death easier to accept, because money farming easier than hellish hauling grind.

This is also a good proposal. Perhaps not completely remove cargo fetching, but lower it considerably. On top of that add roleplay requirement so it's not some players who can't speak English popping stations left and right.

I'd be fine with that as well, it would all depend on how easy it can happen. As long as a base starts out with some minimum strength and real weapons so we could use them to try to exert cheap control over disputed areas. I see them being used in that sense to make noise by unlawfuls, and create the need for a response from authority factions. We could wave attack declarations for POB's built within 2k of a gate/jumphole and simply be a reason for others to maintain order.

We can use POB's or similar player buildable objects to create new activities and potential for inter-faction conflicts. It would be cool to see this place set up to have some way to have some actual macro pvp that unfolds over longer periods in real time. If a house were to lockdown or annex a system, it would be nice to see an option for them to use destroyable bases to secure routes. A faction could plan a large scale operation, go in and set up a bunch of starter drone bases to boost their stance, knowing they'd be more easily replaceable, and be worth the effort.

Leaving a hostile base along a route could also be a reason to stimulate some real missions by OF's to watch for and go take out real unlawful bases like with the normal missions but be a bit larger scale and player generated.

If not POB's I'd be stoked to see a player buildable weapons platform which would allow for the same uses. Factions could build them to mark territory, or add additional security to trade junctions or mining operations. Then at least the real time ability to take out each other's WP's would be a thing. Maintainting borders and security would have a whole new take. Of course they'd be used to play tricks on each other and make sneaky attacks or moves to block junctions with deploying a bunch at a time. The fun would be around the planning, and fight over protecting them or destroying them! All of the rp that follows would still make sense. Rp would be around taking out illegal weapons platforms/bases or building them the same as normal RP revolving around POB's.

We need a more real time and interactive way to fight here. Its better for immersion and keeping things going during the week. With something like this at least a faction or spec op type could attack another's routes and keep a thing ongoing. Routes are just about the only thing that really can be effected in real time, so letting players wage their own efforts to lock down each other's route's would be how factions dig at each other over longer time periods. This would generate some needs and jobs for a bunch of roles like mercs and suppliers/ builders. Wouldn't it be cool if militaries made contracts with companies like Agiera or DSE to build them WP's (or tweaked core 1's) in places for extra security or for war contracts?

It may also be good for signifying territorial holds on systems. That should already be done with static battleships but it would basically be a thing that if a house cant keep such player built objects online in disputed systems, they'd be considered to have a weakend or diminished claim inrp, that is until player efforts keep the claims up (until finalized inrp). And that would be the point. Neglected factions would essentially become occupied by active ones, until players boost the underdog. So the popular factions can make food of empty ones, and leave empty ones to be used for that untill enough interest comes along.

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[SnakThree]

Weapon Platforms should be removed as they are nothing but toxic and grief magnet. They make gameplay less fun when someone starts hugging them . They make it sad when they destroy someone who might have been inattentive for a second.

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[Spectre]

Weapon Platforms should be removed as they are nothing but toxic and grief magnet. They make gameplay less fun when someone starts hugging them . They make it sad when they destroy someone who might have been inattentive for a second.

And make sieges even more favored towards the attackers.
Nice.

EDIT: Maybe instead of deleting them, regulations should be put in place to prevent an over abundance of platforms in a single area, or to observe the placement of such to prevent griefing.

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[darkwind]

Perhaps to make weapon platforms online ONLY when base is under attack(shield is active)

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[Spectre]

Perhaps to make weapon platforms online ONLY when base is under attack(shield is active)

I like this. I really like this.
I'm no coder, so I can't yell for people to implement it, but hell if it wouldn't be better than having area denial zones around trade hubs or chokepoints.

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[SnakThree]

Perhaps to make weapon platforms online ONLY when base is under attack(shield is active)

Such a simple and brilliant idea.

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[Binski]

Weapon Platforms should be removed as they are nothing but toxic and grief magnet. They make gameplay less fun when someone starts hugging them . They make it sad when they destroy someone who might have been inattentive for a second.

Yeah no offense but that is the weakest lazy trader perspective possible. We should not be appealing to people who cry because they went innattentive. Everyone knows how it is when you launch.

Also the point is that sometimes having friendly/allied infrastructure in space is to help your chances and your side. The idea is that you have extra help if you do fight in that spot and would fight to defend them so your side maintains its strength and posture, and can continue to work against your opponents. All of this stuff isn't toxic, its what we do here, its part of the fun. It can be unwritten rules and attitudes that are toxic, since we're supposed to be ok with having less to do to make it easier on afk traders or those who will only pvp in perfect conditions for themselves.

Seems like we may be missing out on a lot of new activites because trader only types would practically support removing pvp to protect themselves. Some people dont want to do any more than we do to spare themselves risk, and that is the toxicity that has held the server back. Otherwise we'd be having epic player driven wars here, which would make more sense and be far more interesting to participate in than the scripted situations.

Part of the idea is that factions could have a way of provoking change or RP situations like border claims/incursions or even symbolize coup's or terrorist attacks by using some kind of WP object. I know I'm insane by this point but I still dream of the server having some vestige of free action where factions could set their own policies and make moves that may cause actual conflicts or war scenarios, and not require much pre-collaboration or scripting, which is something we should do everything to avoid. Why? Because there's nothing worse than realizing the adventure or situation you take interest in isn't actually happening or isn't real basically, and I'd rather a dead server than that. What I'd really rather is real situations where players care because the event hasnt been scripted and can go either way. We have lost that and its killing the server! And its all to protect...someone.

The reason we need to artificially kick off rp developments is because without placing values on in game objects like planets, bases, WP's, ore fields, connection points, there's no cause for doing something to provoke chain activites. Example: If planets had value on top of their base potential, we could have a live situation for constantly claiming planets or maintaining territory, where player buildable WP's would come in handy big time. In my battle system thread, I suggested a planet or moon give a controlling faction an "ore point" they could spend on more static capship bases, but apparently thats too complicated. But if people were willing to grill over the details and give it some thought, it would make the environment something worth caring about more, and allow for some new situations. Sadly many won't even muster the attention span to read this whole post.

Or, in Exeter, if on top of an event, Coalition could have deployed buildable WP's to surprise blockade the system or planet. Militant Zoners too. Then BAF would need to regularly get out and take them out. At least then there is a conflict going on and something to do to keep the battle going when it would otherwise be completely dead empty.

[Shiki]

Perhaps to make weapon platforms online ONLY when base is under attack(shield is active)

Ye so you only need to hug the base to trigger them. Changes nothing.

Platforms need to be removed.

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[Groshyr]

Platforms make people cancer and hug the pob in seek of protection. It has to be removed, I believe. Changed to cruise disruptor, inhibitor, additional repair module (increases repair rate), etc. However, I am not sure could any handle the pob plugin and will not screw it if it's already bug itself pretty often (impossible to the dock, missing pobs, etc)

[Shiki]

If you want the solution without removing them, platforms should be inactive and only be activated by the staff man when the actual attack is about to happen.

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