' Wrote:Yea, since you know that everything was "by the book" you call the rules bull and change the topic, which is typical, I might add. What does my reason for being here have anything to do with this topic? But while we're at it, since when do you make posts that don't contain ": ))))))))"?
And no, I'm not a diplomat, I simply know what a FR5 is, unlike you it seems.
well the post of mine That You quoted didn't have any : ))))))))))))) in it so..Yeah.
Anyways Schlurbi, You're not getting rid of me that easily, I'm here to stay untill I've done my part.
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' Wrote:No point in arguing with him Kara, he'll probably just edit his post when he sees that he was beaten with his own words, which is, to a rather large extent amusing:lol:
PS: If there is counter-evidence, I'm sure someone will eventually see it.
If there is evidence, I'm surprised Waratah hasn't shown it already. I would've thought, that somebody in his position would jump at the chance to show any evidence that might clear his name, and earn back the respect of the community.
' Wrote:If there is evidence, I'm surprised Waratah hasn't shown it already. I would've thought, that somebody in his position would jump at the chance to show any evidence that might clear his name, and earn back the respect of the community.
The evidence may only be forwarded to the Admins privately, but it will not be shown into the public as we spoke about it already, we're not going to Q_Q about it as we never did, and we have faced the consequences in RP manners if you may call it like that.
' Wrote:The evidence may only be forwarded to the Admins privately, but it will not be shown into the public as we spoke about it already, we're not going to Q_Q about it as we never did, and we have faced the consequences in RP manners if you may call it like that.
So unless an Admin confirms the evidence we'll never know? Despite the fact everyone has seen the some of the evidence against the TCG?
You're not asked to know, this is something between the TCG, Order| and the admins.
Hence why I said to Dusty that I could only base myself on what I've seen.
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Out of interest, what do you mean by 'earn back the respect of the community'? Being FR5'd doesn't show you're tards, it shows that the governing official faction of your respective NPC group doesn't like the way you're doing things. FR5's could be some pretty awesome basis for civil war of renegade RP.
Ya just need to roll with it like this lot is doing. I don't respect them any less because this has happened. As a matter of a fact, I'm completely indifferent about both them and the Order| seeing as I literally have nothing to do with either.
Also, I find Akura's example funny, just because he's citing his own alt. forum account, and is just bitter that he was thrown out of the SCRA again. :lol:
' Wrote:Out of interest, what do you mean by 'earn back the respect of the community'? Being FR5'd doesn't show you're tards, it shows that the governing official faction of your respective NPC group doesn't like the way you're doing things. FR5's could be some pretty awesome basis for civil war of renegade RP.
Ya just need to roll with it like this lot is doing. I don't respect them any less because this has happened. As a matter of a fact, I'm completely indifferent about both them and the Order| seeing as I literally have nothing to do with either.
Also, I find Akura's example funny, just because he's citing his own alt. forum account, and is just bitter that he was thrown out of the SCRA again. :lol:
' Wrote:// There is 2 sides to a story, and our side has not been allowed to be spoken because it will prove their story as fiction.
Waratah, screenshots, video, and testimonials from people you've wronged in-game do not lie. We spent days compiling all of the complaints and evidence against your group, that should tell you the scale of how poorly you've been acting on the server lately.
It all came to a head when you fired on Order| ships, including tommy's admiral, after being called out for trying to start a war between the order and liberty, which you had no right attempting in the first place. Your actions have had a negative effect on the entirety of the Order faction - official and independents alike - and we've had enough of it.
I gave you a chance, and for a couple of weeks you actually got your act together, but as soon as I looked the other way you and your people were right back to causing problems for everyone. You were given a chance and you threw it away, now you're going to suffer the consequences. Trying to slander the name of your prosecutors in a temper-tantrum isnt going to change the fact that you were in the wrong, you screwed up, and you got caught.
Actually, if the forums don't squirrel me this time....
Anyway...
The offiicial leader of a faction and his second-in-command have the authority to give orders to the non-faction members of their ID, under faction right 2. These orders are binding, but the members of the ID are not obliged to follow orders that are non-canon. (For example, as the head of the BHG|, I couldn't order someone to go attack the RM in New Berlin. However, I could order them to leave the Corsairs alone and go attack the Outcasts, as both groups are (or were) hostile to Bounty Hunters.)
Now, when the group that has received the orders decides that they don't want to follow those orders, shooting up the official faction and then re-engaging isn't really considered the way to go with that.
So the FR2 orders may have been worthy of arguing about in role play and on the forums. When the non-official faction starts shooting up the official faction, then the offiicial faction is within their rights to ask for the FR5 - which is what happened here.
This is well within the rules, and happens just about every third day from someone shooting up an Zoner NFZ and then the Zoners FR5'ing him - so please don't tell me that FR5's are rare things. Happening to a large group, yeah. Last time it was the Apocalypse group - and they ended up with theirs from basically the same reasoning.
And interestingly enough, with some of the same players involved as well, but that's a completely different discussion point that may or may not have any relevance to this.
As for where it goes from here - there are role-play ways for this to go, both on forum and in game. That is up to the members of the TCG and Order| to determine whether or not they're going to get along. The Apocalypse wing chose to not do so, and thus ended up hostile to all factions, with no place to dock. Right now the TCG still have Zoner bases available. Let them role-play it out and see where they go from here.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.