If you're in a trade ship you cannot stand up to a Gunboat. However, Gunbots and Transports are, by and large, the easiest ships to get away from unless they're very smart. A simple tactic is to face the enemy ship and try and have him face you. Pass underneath or over him while shooting, and then don't keep fighting; cruise away. By the time the person catches up with turning, you should have gained significant distance from him and your CMs will be effective or you will be out of CD range.
Your job is not to stand up to pirates, but to get away. Transports and Gunboats have the same speed as you with a Thruster. This should give you a very significant advantage when running. If you can ever get into Cruise, then you're golden. That's why Fighters and Bombers are much, much better at pirating.
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' Wrote:If you're in a trade ship you cannot stand up to a Gunboat. However, Gunbots and Transports are, by and large, the easiest ships to get away from unless they're very smart. A simple tactic is to face the enemy ship and try and have him face you. Pass underneath or over him while shooting, and then don't keep fighting; cruise away. By the time the person catches up with turning, you should have gained significant distance from him and your CMs will be effective or you will be out of CD range.
Your job is not to stand up to pirates, but to get away. Transports and Gunboats have the same speed as you with a Thruster. This should give you a very significant advantage when running. If you can ever get into Cruise, then you're golden. That's why Fighters and Bombers are much, much better at pirating.
Easy to counter, CD's follow even behind you. When you try to pass by my Ptrans, I will shoot a CD when we pass, or even before that, which will buy me 5 seconds to turn enough to continue firing CD's.
I can also start turning earlier, because your ship probably doesn't have a cd to counter my e-kill.
But I agree with you that it's considerably easier to run from, in certain situations - like in front of the gate.
If a trader jumps back trough the gate, he can usually get to the lane before you manage to disrupt it.
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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Bacon just a heads, gunboats thrust 20m/s faster than a transport. you cant out thrust them. Their razors also outrange everything you have, and anyone who flies a medium or large tranpsort can tell you, Train Cd will almost never go for even the heavy CM's, or ENH, nevermind the crappyer ones.
Pretty much your only hope is to pay up or have a freakin gunboat PAIR as your own escort. and thats just dealing with one gunboat or bomber, and if its a bomber the transport dies anyway.
' Wrote:Bacon just a heads, gunboats thrust 20m/s faster than a transport. you cant out thrust them.
Only fighters/freighters can outthrust transports/Gbs and this is also hard for freighters when the opponent have cds, he cd you and cruise to you then shoot a bit etc till you die or till he runs out of cds.
However Geisha is fun. Celestial you cannot have the cake and eat it at the same time- if you want to fly big transport with a lot of cargo everything will be able to rape you. Use geisha or even better -Luxury Yacht to trade-cut your profits with 50% and wanna be priates with 80%.
Transports cannot out thrust gbs, transports cannot out-thrust anything with TCD because their cruise engine loads too slow, with good CD timing if someone comes in range he stays in range in 98% of the cases, 2% is CMs. Buff CMs- with 3-5 TCDs shot at less then 2k the chance to run usng them is around 1-2%. The solution is not to go in range, it is easy one if you trade smart and dont sleep while controlling your ship.
And the Ku expoder needs slight hull buff not nerf.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
Govedo, how about less hostility. I was merely pointing out that the gunboats thrust faster, somthing bacon had forgotten is all. I personally dont FLY a 5k either, i fly a bwt, so perhaps a little less jumping to conclusions and more the issue at hand?
On topic: KU ex is fine as it is. its MEANT to be weak hulled compared to other gunboats, its not a combat ship lore wise. its the transports that are the issue, considering they are paper bags with engines.
' Wrote:...Train Cd will almost never go for even the heavy CM's, or ENH, nevermind the crappyer ones.
Pretty much your only hope is to pay up or have a freakin gunboat PAIR as your own escort. and thats just dealing with one gunboat or bomber, and if its a bomber the transport dies anyway.
Or have a repair ship flying escort and pass you bots bats. If the repair ship doesn't get blasted, you WILL make it. Alternatively, travel in a convoy of transports, and be able to bring dozens of transport guns to bear on your target and pass bots/bats back and forth.
On the point of CD's and CM's, Train CD has a large blast radius, so even if it goes after the countermeasures you might still get disrupted. Deploying countermeasures preemptively helps a lot though
Did anyone else notice that Sirius Resistance abandoned this thread quite a while ago? Oh well. Fires burn after you set them.
In response: Gunboats kill transports. The only gunboats that can't do that are the ones that are totally incompetent or so ill-equipped that they are just useless as ships and combatants.
I mean...is the Ahoudori not supposed to be able to kill transports? Where's that written?
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