This rule is the opposite of Robin Hood. It steals from the poor and gives to the rich. The rich are dying, the poor are developing. So who needs the support? I vote the poor. Things die, it is inebitable. So why not supply the young ones. The new ones. The better, next generation model ones.
' Wrote:One of the few that actually matters imo. I'd say leave it as is. Factions that want to go official get a lot of publicity from their faction officialdom request.
It is rather frustrating for people using the same ID as an official faction though. We cannot become official, even if our RP is pretty distinct from the official faction. Which is fine, I understand the logic of keeping faction rights to a single group. But saying, "hey, you aren't official! You're not allowed to RP on the forums with the aim of meeting more people to have fun with", I just can't understand.
The only other alternative, (if you hang around in sparsely populated space) is using OORP to recruit in-game. Which kind of defeats the point in my humble opinion.
Can we not organise recruitment in a similar way to how FR5s are handled by factions-with-subfactions? Perhaps, if the official faction is ok with the unofficial faction then the unofficial can recruit, either in the unofficial subforum, or on their respective ID's official faction's subforum to keep things tidy. Just ideas, feel free to rip them apart.
Edit:(this is aimed at everyone btw, it kind of sounds like I'm having a go at mwerte. That wasn't my intention, sorry:Ptoo much coffee)
For Christ's sake, just make a single sub-forum for "Unofficial Factions" and one for "Pending Factions".
The more you outlaw stuff, the more you either A) remove the fun of it, or B) force people to find loopholes and alternatives. After nonsense with the Communication section, a bunch of people flocked to the Stories/Bio part because they had no other choice. What's next, flood?
This regulation makes no sense. In fact I'd go so far as to call it a needless excuse to wave around power where it's not necessary.
"Factionlancer". As stupid as all those derogatory puns of "Freelancer" are, this one's actually rather poignant.
It shouldn't be pending in the first place. The regulation shouldn't exist.
Otherwise you're forcing people underground, and stamping out groups that aren't already established or have connections. Total nonsense.
' Wrote:Otherwise you're forcing people underground, and stamping out groups that aren't already established or have connections. Total nonsense.
This is second good thought that I approve too,since the unofficial's cannot present themselves (kind of indirect recruitment) they will be pushed underground and many good ideas will be lost.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
' Wrote:<king of the hill quote>
I honestly have no idea what this means.
What a lofty metaphor on my part. Please let me explain. King of the Hill is a common format in many shooter games where several participants or teams attempt to be the "king," i.e. the only one standing on a particular piece of ground. Players or teams score points for holding the ground against other assailants. A camping sniper would be a player of the "king" team who sits in a protected location and cuts down assailants before they can get anywhere close to the hill.
The metaphor is somewhat obvious once you have the background. Obviously, I'm intending the violent connotation that such a shooter game brings along. The Hill is officialdom. The Kings are the official factioners. The other assailants are the unofficial factions trying to recruit. The camping sniper is you, the admin, firing 50-caliber shots into the chests of the unofficials trying to recruit, and meanwhile the official faction is scoring "points." Whatever those are.
The policy that unofficials can't recruit combined with the policy that there's only one official faction per ID brings exactly such a violent situation.
Cooperation > competition.
What is the fuss about? If the person trully wants to get into the unofficial faction he will ask how to join by posting it faction's thread or via PM.
Those who can't figure it out - their own fault.
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Directing people to official factions is good because:
Off. Faction is more responsible for its members.
Off. Faction has higher roleplay standards.
Leaders are easy to reach and give feedback to, meaning improvement is quicker.
Most of the time off. Factions have more members thus increasing the possible help to new guy.
Off. Factions are currently responsible with their lore, technology thus losing off. Faction would be bad for general gameplay and so keeping activity above limit is good thing.
Why unofficial factions are bad:
Unoffi. Faction mostly consists of poorly English speakers thus newcomer, that is not good at English himself can't improve east enough.
Unoffi. Factions often has lower roleplay standards.
Unoffi. Factions are harder to give feedback on.
Unoffi. Factions mostly are temporary ones, that exist till the leader is happy about it.
They are numerous and multiple of NPC factions thus crowding it.
They rarely have good background behind them and so the immersion is lower.
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I think unofficial factions should be able to recruit but only by the main thread's subtitle "PM to join" thus giving them at least small chance to become bigger, to attract some players.
' Wrote:What is the fuss about? If the person trully wants to get into the unofficial faction he will ask how to join by posting it faction's thread or via PM.
Those who can't figure it out - their own fault.
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Directing people to official factions is good because:
Off. Faction is more responsible for its members.
Off. Faction has higher roleplay standards.
Leaders are easy to reach and give feedback to, meaning improvement is quicker.
Most of the time off. Factions have more members thus increasing the possible help to new guy.
Off. Factions are currently responsible with their lore, technology thus losing off. Faction would be bad for general gameplay and so keeping activity above limit is good thing.
Why unofficial factions are bad:
Unoffi. Faction mostly consists of poorly English speakers thus newcomer, that is not good at English himself can't improve east enough.
Unoffi. Factions often has lower roleplay standards.
Unoffi. Factions are harder to give feedback on.
Unoffi. Factions mostly are temporary ones, that exist till the leader is happy about it.
They are numerous and multiple of NPC factions thus crowding it.
They rarely have good background behind them and so the immersion is lower.
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I think unofficial factions should be able to recruit but only by the main thread's subtitle "PM to join" thus giving them at least small chance to become bigger, to attract some players.
PS.: That's my opinion, it's not facts.
i agree save the fact ive frankly seen alot more unofficial people roleplaying better then officials and nobody doing anything about it eeven when told .
now your gonna ask me for names and factions invloved
im declineing because frankly i dont want to be greifed by there alts for badmouthing them but i will say this
" change is inevitable and happens regularly"
nutshell answer: let unofficial factions be allowed to place a pm to join subtitle you cant even get a chance to get official if you cant get recruits and you need to start somewere
Well, at first I thought that official factions have received their new "forum perk" already by getting their own sub-forums. On the other hand, there could be some negative consequences of giving unofficial factions the right to recruit on the forums. Giving unofficial factions their own recruitment threads may lead to spam of the said threads (so, should it get implemented, I'd suggest to make a separate sub-forum for those threads). However, at the very least, unofficial factions should be allowed to put something like "Interested? PM these people: <names here>." Depriving them of this right does seem ridiculous to me, no matter how old such a rule is. I'd be more than interested to hear why this rule was created in the first place, and why such harsh restrictions were placed.
I don't like the rule.. But i understand why it's there. I honestly can't think of anything except to just make sure the recruitment is in-RP. Would be cool, and give the unofficial faction more RP opportunities.
' Wrote:I don't like the rule.. But i understand why it's there. I honestly can't think of anything except to just make sure the recruitment is in-RP. Would be cool, and give the unofficial faction more RP opportunities.
That, also only faction that applied to official status should be allowed to recruit in their Officiality Request topic, otherwise I pretty much think that they won't get enough members to actually be able to do much.