(01-05-2017, 03:11 AM)The Archangels Fighter Club Wrote: The FR5 was basically the Admins agreeing that Newport is Administered by AFC. If not, the whole situation would have been retconned even.
The situation with AFC vs GMG was processed during a time when we physically had very little time to go in-depth of what the background was. There were only three of us and we voted on most things from a list before work piled up too much with the presumption that if something went wrong, we could re-visit it if needed.
In the specific case of GMG vs AFC, the FR5 was looked into very minimally and was mostly seen as two factions bickering, so sure, whatever, let them shoot each other if they really want to.
At no point in time the administration team has ''approved'' any group taking ''ownership'' of any base.
We are, however, aware of the situation in Sigma 13 and it is on the list of things to discuss and resolve once the after-holiday phase is over with and more people can contribute to it. It should also be said that the emergence of more official Freelancer IDed groups has already prompted the team to re-visit faction rights in order to specify the exceptions in which Generic IDed official factions will be or not be privy to - the issue being that right now the overall consensus in the community seems that the moment you get your official ID, it stops being generic - yet we all know that is not really the way it works, given that the NPC faction the group represents is still something to take into account.
Also, seriously, I would like everyone to tone it down in this thread a bit so that it stops being bumped in the mod chat. Lashing out from left to right like an animal in the cage is not something we expect from our members. Take an example from the green team and simply stop replying if you feel as though further contribution to the matter is just going to escalate things.
Folks, stop this nonsense! No one "OWNS" any bases, you administer them at the most. Not even non-generic official factions can stop indies of the same IFF to dock, so no one really owns anything.
Much less the GMG will own a Freelancer IFF base. This is ridiculous.
But not even AFC owns it. No one owns it. Remeber Phoenix claiming ownership of Livadia Shipyards and trying to stop another Zoner to dock on the station? Remeber what happened to Phoenix after that?
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I've a few questions for you.
1. Why is your ID a copy paste of the Freelancer ID in terms of tech limitations, and you still have at least 75% on almost all technology in the game? Hell, it's even better because apart from having all the cells identical, you have Gaian ships and weapons added as well. You also have access to tech from factions or houses you're directly hostile to (Outcasts, Liberty Rogues, GMG, Gallia (90%!?), Hogosha, etc.) which makes no sense whatsoever. You should lose majority of them anyways, as you're now a faction with its own diplomacy and doesn't have sirius-wide neutrality anymore so any faction you're not on good terms with should instantly be 10%.
2. How come a bunch of racers who drink, whore and drug their days out are so actively participating in bounty hunting, a very dangerous activity inRP, and acting like sirius police? Is it because your ID allows you and you -can-, or is there a proper roleplay justification for it? Not anyone can bounty hunt, bounty hunters are on the top of the food chain and are usually the best pilots in the colonies skill wise. AFC definitely doesn't strike me as such, and it's more of a "oh yeah, we inherited it from the Freelancer ID (which is broken on factions to begin with, but that's another topic) which allows us, so why not use it". I'm looking for an inRP explanation, not an ooRP one.
3. Why do you think you have the right to administrate Freelancer bases? I was always under the impression that they shouldn't be administrated by anyone for obvious reasons, yet we have this drama between you and GMG. I'd honestly like to know why the sudden need to administrate bases that haven't (or have barely) been administrated in the last 10+ years of this mod.
I'll also add a bit of critique to your feedback handling. It's been poor to say the least, and I can only suggest you to start by not taking everything personally and attacking people directly instead of addressing the issues or feedback they present you.
(01-05-2017, 09:21 AM)Doria Wrote: Not even non-generic official factions can stop indies of the same IFF to dock
Actually they can, FR2 combined with FR5 can be used for it, you can see it for example in recent NC- vs 101st dispute.
(01-05-2017, 10:50 AM)Antonio Wrote: 3. Why do you think you have the right to administrate Freelancer bases? I was always under the impression that they shouldn't be administrated by anyone for obvious reasons, yet we have this drama between you and GMG. I'd honestly like to know why the sudden need to administrate bases that haven't (or have barely) been administrated in the last 10+ years of this mod.
They claim only control over Newport, no other FL bases. And to be fair, they were not first, IRG did similar thing with Heisenberg Research Station in Koeln some time ago (see here and here).
(01-05-2017, 10:50 AM)Antonio Wrote: bounty hunting, a very dangerous activity inRP, and acting like sirius police? Is it because your ID allows you and you -can-, or is there a proper roleplay justification for it? Not anyone can bounty hunt, bounty hunters are on the top of the food chain and are usually the best pilots in the colonies skill wise.
BHG lore around Texas states a lot of bounty hunters are just ex-convicts released from Sugerland and Huntsville in Texas that got tired of getting busted and decided to hunt their former comrades. They don't have to be the best pilots, they just know their enemy well enough and where to find it like jumpholes and such. They are also ready to take more reckless approach than say the navy or police. Also you don't need to be a good pilot to be a bounty hunter. It just means you'll be a lousy bounty hunter. Everyone can try, the contractor has nothing to lose if you failed.
The next person to post unrelated crap in a faction's feedback thread for the sake of cheap laughs will have to consider other forums to post in for the duration of the upcoming month.
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I have woken up and I see lots of people posting Feedback.
Actually this is a good thing, becasue for a long time no one had. No one when I was making advances said anything, and perhaps now I can finally make sure people understand AFC lore.
While you wait for me to get to you one by one you can patiently watch this video here if you'd like:
Come to the race. Gonna be on Saturday at 22:00 UTC and I think this is the best and most developed track I have done so far. It should be really fun with a lot of laughs.
(01-05-2017, 07:07 AM)Vendetta Wrote: Calling people jerks and acting immature seems to be the new thing this year. They asked for some screenshots and clarification in a situation and you handled the matter poorly, which isn't what anyone would expect from an Official Faction, let alone its leader.
Granted I'm no angel, but have the decency to talk to people in a respectable way so you don't come out looking like - well, exactly what you called them. A jerk. So if you're done with the petty episodes of assuming everyone is out to get you and backing yourself in to a corner with a large stick, I've got a genuine question.
Simply becoming official doesn't exclude you from the fact that you stemmed from a non-generic faction, using the Freelancer ID and IFF, so on and so forth, which would make the listed faction rights void to you unless stated otherwise. While you have every right to roleplay ownership of a station - and some fairly extensive stuff at that - you don't actually have any means of asserting that control or enforcing roleplay consequences.
So my question is - Why go through all the effort to defend the topic when you can just as easily shrug off all the naysayers and post that wall of links like you did above? Why stoop to levels of childish rhetoric and nonsense? That only furthers the issues that you seem to feel as though you're constantly facing.
Respect brings back respect. As an admin said: I do not have to post to you my evidence and you can report me if you want. You'll be sure you fail though.
Coming here and not getting what you want and then yelling HAHAA YOU DONT HAVE IT YOU ARE A METAGAMER is literally cancer. Sorry but you want me not to be 'childish'? Act like it yourself.
I urge you to read my essay as well. I dont think you have.
The statement is wrong that you made too about RP consequences. The power of RP allows me to RP back and therefore there are always going to be consequences. How will I do it? The same way as A/) have done it to AFC.
Anyway, I stoop to those levels becasue I am dealing with these kinds of people. For a week i have been salty about many things in this community. The community is in part responsible for annoying the crap out of me, and I am only human and I get mad.
Dont expect miracles to happen and me to always be happy when I see crap from people that make fun of me or do some other random stuff to irritate me.
Plain and simple, there are people here I have less respect for than even Jayce. I have more respect for him.
(01-05-2017, 03:11 AM)The Archangels Fighter Club Wrote: The FR5 was basically the Admins agreeing that Newport is Administered by AFC. If not, the whole situation would have been retconned even.
The situation with AFC vs GMG was processed during a time when we physically had very little time to go in-depth of what the background was. There were only three of us and we voted on most things from a list before work piled up too much with the presumption that if something went wrong, we could re-visit it if needed.
In the specific case of GMG vs AFC, the FR5 was looked into very minimally and was mostly seen as two factions bickering, so sure, whatever, let them shoot each other if they really want to.
At no point in time the administration team has ''approved'' any group taking ''ownership'' of any base.
We are, however, aware of the situation in Sigma 13 and it is on the list of things to discuss and resolve once the after-holiday phase is over with and more people can contribute to it. It should also be said that the emergence of more official Freelancer IDed groups has already prompted the team to re-visit faction rights in order to specify the exceptions in which Generic IDed official factions will be or not be privy to - the issue being that right now the overall consensus in the community seems that the moment you get your official ID, it stops being generic - yet we all know that is not really the way it works, given that the NPC faction the group represents is still something to take into account.
Also, seriously, I would like everyone to tone it down in this thread a bit so that it stops being bumped in the mod chat. Lashing out from left to right like an animal in the cage is not something we expect from our members. Take an example from the green team and simply stop replying if you feel as though further contribution to the matter is just going to escalate things.
So it's your fault.
Pointing out too, you guys knew about your screw-up way before the holidays when I told you on TS and you guys said you are 'discussing it'.
At this point, the Admin team saying : 'it's on our list' is the equivalent to 'stop nagging me ill do it later'. And you never do it.
I have had this experience with admins for a number of things. Just say you cannot do it atm and be straight forward.
Also you shouldn't have FR5ed us if you looked at it minimally. You made it so that GMG has all the positives and can powergame more and act more as an administrator than I am.
You have already received reports about GMG blocking freelancers from docking and saying they will impose their laws against them if they do. Meanwhile, what can the freelancer do against this? Why am I not able to do anything.
Alley said one time that the reason there is no AFC IFF is becasue it will never happen. It would leak to other servers. That was the reason. Becasue of this, I still want to have a NPC base. No one will let me have any and when you guys hear the word "Administration" alarms go off in your head thinking I can do FR5s.
I'll break it down later , but what I can do is what the Bounty Board system allows me to do. If there are RP consequences against my faction, it is not fair at all for my faction to not be able to react and move forward. All you are doing is holding us back.
How about just not voting in the future with minimal looking at the context. That's even considered just not being responsible in you position.
You dump something you shouldn't in you pet ant colony, and then you are surprised about the outcomes that come your way.