I've seen at least on GC in a civy bomber, that was a while ago though.
But the point a lot of people are making is based on the GC NPC's flying civvy ships. Naturally most people would say the faction members should follow suit.
There's a link to the PC Faction status there if you don't trust it.
Thats just the faction trying to solve an issue with a ship they don't like../is broken
It doesn't mean he has to follow suit? who cares if your ship isn't the best fighter... this is a RP server afterall.. and not a PVP server.
As for his goal of finding the best looking ship.. thats not realy right.. likely the GC would have access to only Civy ships (the blood dragons and outcasts aren't likely to sell them their ships, nor cold the GC afford it)
Mind you I think the eagle is one of the nicest vanilla ships there is...
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Vanilla ships are at a large disadvantage though due to splash damage and parts that get blown off. Otherwise the eagle is a nice ship.
CG should fly civvy, but I think flying BD ships is OK, you see mixed groups of BD/GC all the time.
I also think flying Kusari ships would be OK for a faction that has little resources and might have the opportunity to salvage a couple, but doing that risks running across an admin when they are having a bad day.
' Wrote:Thats just the faction trying to solve an issue with a ship they don't like../is broken
It doesn't mean he has to follow suit? who cares if your ship isn't the best fighter... this is a RP server afterall.. and not a PVP server.
Nor does it mean he is restricted to Civilian Ships. Using BD ships is perfectly fine on a GC, as nothing is available RP-wise that shows they wouldn't have permission to purchase one. Its his choice, not the community's decision to tell him what he has to use. Suggestions here, not demands.
Likewise, the official GC faction shiplist doesn't restrict him either unless/until he joins said faction. As far as I'm concerned, he has 3 ship lists available. Civilian line (Eagle/Preggy/Griffin [Griffin is broken, same as Preggy atm]), BD line (BF HF, BF Bomber, no LF available), and the Outcast line (Sabre, Falcata, Scimitar). The GC are very dependant on the Outcasts militarily and for their cardamine, so the chances of a GC getting a Sabre wouldn't be impossible. However, don't use any Outcast capital ships. As a GC, you shouldn't really fly a capital ship anyway. Bombers and VHFs work perfectly fine for us.
On the equipment side, any BD/civvy weapons are fine. Disinfectors, Suncannons (best ones to use for RP of a GC), BD weapon line, Furys. Debilitators CAN be used, but I don't recommend it because I believe the RP behind the use of them for a GC would be shaky at best. Besides, they aren't really needed. You can make up for the lack of a shield buster by simply practicing your aiming skills. I never have any problem dropping the shields of a fighter in my BD HF or my BD Bomber.
Outcast weapons however, I'd put a big NO on. We have our own weapons and our main ally's weapons, we don't need to use Outcast weaponry at all, aside from perhaps an Inferno for your bomber/HF if you don't use a Train CD.
To be honest, depending on how much cash you have available, making both a VHF and a Bomber character would be a good idea. We do get swarmed by capital ships because of our location on the Diamond-Niobium route, and bounties aren't unheard of because of such. General when that happens, we get BHG BCs and BHG Destroyers that come after us, not fighters and bombers. Your HF would be good for group raids on transports, and for attacking other fighters and bombers, and then you bring out your bomber whenever a bunch of capships are about.
If you were only to buy one, I'd say go for an (V)HF.
When we constantly pirate and most traders pay up? we do have the money, but mabye not the resources for building the ships, and since we arent *that* popular, factions would not want to sell us ships or resources for building them, for fear of us being strong, Why do you think we caught a zoner possibly spying on us only a few days ago?
collecting cloud samples in a warship and boarding crew.... hmmm.
and back to the fact of what ship we can use, we arent that lucky in ships, we mostly rely on the BD for our ships and buying directly from there shipyards... but soon enough that will change, with the GC Bomber ect.
thats my opinion anyway, and if you say im biased then fair enough, i probably am.
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' Wrote:Using BD ships is perfectly fine on a GC, as nothing is available RP-wise that shows they wouldn't have permission to purchase one. Its his choice, not the community's decision to tell him what he has to use. Suggestions here, not demands.
The infocard :rtfm:
But if people pretend they are blind....
Quote:I believe the RP behind the use of them for a GC would be shaky at best. Besides, they aren't really needed. You can make up for the lack of a shield buster by simply practicing your aiming skills. I never have any problem dropping the shields of a fighter in my BD HF or my BD Bomber.
Outcast weapons however, I'd put a big NO on. We have our own weapons and our main ally's weapons, we don't need to use Outcast weaponry at all, aside from perhaps an Inferno for your bomber/HF if you don't
use a Train CD.
Your HF has no problems with shields since you use the outcast inferno... which is just as shaky to use as BD ships.
BD ships + Outcasts guns = no GC.
Proper GC imo is in Eagle with Suncannons and Debilitators. Which can be bought at Leiden base from Hackers, in a neutral zone right next to GC ZOI, there are even LH NPC in shikoku as well as GC bribes etc on Leiden, suggesting they have some contact.
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My Characters Do use BD Ships, lets be fair.
But my bomber uses Debs and missiles which to be fair arent hard to get. and my VHF ( currently building up) will be using Suncannons and Debs... and lets be fair... Suncannons are good when used right.
so im in rp? well thats up2 you.
But i know that im not the only person within GC who does the same thing.
(Edit: Notices i used "lets be fair" lots, heeh soz)
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All of the [GC] characters i know of use the BD fighter and bomber.... noone seems to care.... i myself own both.... and our leader (who is an admin btw) doesnt care either
' Wrote:(the blood dragons and outcasts aren't likely to sell them their ships, nor cold the GC afford it)
Wish I had seen this earlier. Now please, do tell how the GC buy Eagles from Zoners, a neutral party, yet can't afford a same-priced ship from their ally, who is likely to give them a discount?
' Wrote:The infocard :rtfm:
But if people pretend they are blind....
Your HF has no problems with shields since you use the outcast inferno... which is just as shaky to use as BD ships.
BD ships + Outcasts guns = no GC.
Proper GC imo is in Eagle with Suncannons and Debilitators. Which can be bought at Leiden base from Hackers, in a neutral zone right next to GC ZOI, there are even LH NPC in shikoku as well as GC bribes etc on Leiden, suggesting they have some contact.
And no Mjolner, I didn't forget the infocard. I took the infocard as it says, not trying to interpret something that isn't there. They restrict the design of the ships. But in no statement, anywhere in Discovery, forums or game, does it say they do not sell the ship to others. And your 'reverse engineering' statement is just crap. If it was meant not to be used by allies, it say allies couldn't buy it, not talk only about the design. Design is a particularly specific word, so there is no reason to look into a wider net than what the infocard gives.
And keep in mind, that the Inferno that is on my BD HF has been there what, a matter of 2 weeks. Before that it was a Train CD. For two years it had a CD, and I had no trouble with shields. Nowadays, I use that Inferno sparingly on fighters, instead using it on gunboat shields. I can drop a shield just as easily with Disinfector 3s, and use less energy in the process to do it. Plus, if a salvo of disinfectors misses, thats less energy lost than an Inferno missing.
And I don't think the opinion of 'proper' for a GC, from the perspective of someone who has NEVER flown a GC character, or even a Blood Dragon one as far as I kow, matters much. Further, I have yet to see you ever fly an Eagle, or fly any ship with Suncannons on it.. Your arguing over things for which you have no personal experience in. Excuse me a moment, need to call my PR manager about a sales problem.
And you would like us to fly Eagles with Suncannons and DEBILITATORS bought from Lane Hackers from outside our ZoI? Yet you have a problem with us using a ship from our main ally who is a single jump from our home base.. Your arguing because you don't like facing ships faster than your own. You want easier kills, and you have always done this with every ship you come up against. Christ, it takes a lot of restraint not to go off on you in here, because frankly, I'm SICK of your bickering and complaints. I'm sick of the amount of complaining that goes on in this community. When I found Hogoshas flying Kusari bombers and Chimaeras, I didn't complain at all. I liked how they still had a Kusari look, as opposed to the very non-Kusari looking Eagles.
I am going to take what Blackstarr said add to it..
I don't care, what you think anymore Mjolner. You want to constantly complain and bicker, you can do it with someone else, as I'm an inch from putting you on my forum ignore list.