(12-11-2012, 01:23 PM)madvillain Wrote: sairs will NOT invade rheinland in .87
Just to clear that up.
About the Omega war , i suspect sairs will lose it all , deal with it.
And ofc. sairs have 0 chance to prevent it? Like, you know, NAP talks with Rheinland that is weakened enough by war with Liberty to start considering such an opportunity, establishing trade relations (paying with Bretonian gold for Rheinland Synth Paste, for example), making a sandwich out of hessians with the coordinated assaults, etc?
Like, putting some logical political/geopolitical moves in to the game, for the sake of making RP environment more "alive", and not running on the rails through you like those friggin NPCs?
It won't mean sairs suddenly turned into hippies, just the usual political stuff of "Do what's most beneficial for you".
Rheinland approached us for a NAP .
We got the message that if we'd agreed it would be retconned by devs.
It's not that we (the corsair HC) are too stupid to do diplomacy , we simply aren't allowed even when we want it.
(and believe me we want that)
(12-11-2012, 01:58 PM)madvillain Wrote: Rheinland approached us for a NAP .
We got the message that if we'd agreed it would be retconned by devs.
It's not that we (the corsair HC) are too stupid to do diplomacy , we simply aren't allowed even when we want it.
(and believe me we want that)
I'm surprised you didn't figure that out already.
Well, I figured it, when that IC thingie happened in Rheinland. Basically, they had a set of moves available that would greatly benefit them in both short and long term, and will solve multiple problems at once. (LWB problem, reduce Hessian recruiting capabilities, reduce potential food problems, etc.) Landers said he was hard-pressed enough already and that all of that will just be thrown out/blocked, if he attempted to do anything.
My question in the second paragraph was more addressed to Devs that are running the "Storyline", rather than to you personally. I don't know who are those people, though.
(12-11-2012, 01:58 PM)madvillain Wrote: Rheinland approached us for a NAP .
We got the message that if we'd agreed it would be retconned by devs.
It's not that we (the corsair HC) are too stupid to do diplomacy , we simply aren't allowed even when we want it.
(and believe me we want that)
I'm surprised you didn't figure that out already.
I'm sure you already know this, but Rheinland is the main house that the 'sairs are targeting, particularly the wheat bowl Stuttgart, afaik. Similarly for Cambridge.
You could pull a tactically risky move and pull out forces for raiding in one house, subsisting on small reserves and attempting to win it all. Might even work...Both bretonia and Rheinland have far more massive problems and a surprise large scale assault might work.
(12-11-2012, 02:04 PM)Rodent Wrote: I'm sure you already know this, but Rheinland is the main house that the 'sairs are targeting, particularly the wheat bowl Stuttgart, afaik. Similarly for Cambridge.
You could pull a tactically risky move and pull out forces for raiding in one house, subsisting on small reserves and attempting to win it all. Might even work...Both bretonia and Rheinland have far more massive problems and a surprise large scale assault might work.
Sairs can't target Stuttgart efficiently anyway, due to Hessian blockade. Also, Bretonia is a better pray in a sense, since Rheinland/Liberty war is cooling down and is generally down to small skirmishes, while Bretonia is under an all-out offensive by the strongest military force that exists, and is also lower on numbers.
On their place, I wouldn't risk getting all of my forces (since concentrated attack is what you propose) found themselves in an encirclement by Rheinland Fleets that were taken off the Liberty Frontline from one side, and Hessian horde from another.
Sigma-Frankfurt is a different question, ofcourse, but I wouldn't want to dedicate all available forces into Open-Ground warfare with Rheinland in Frankfurt, while leaving my own backyard totally undefended from Hessians. Spells a potential disaster, like in the first scenario.
Imho, Hessians, as the immediate and closest threat, would have to be dealt with first. After that Sairs would be able to decide, is it worth to break a NAP with Rheinland and try their luck in full-scale offensive operations against second strongest House Military (not counting the Gallics) - or is it better to push for the weaker pray, a.k.a. Bretonia. In the latter scenario, I can even imagine talks with Gallics - since those 2 have nothing to compete for (not for long, but they still can use each other to their mutual benefit)
some months ago - friday had posted a plea for official factions to write up their upcoming storyline.
if the corsairs have submitted ( or for that reason rheinland ) and asked for a storyline involving a NAP - i am sure friday has considered it. if it was THEN rejected, i am also sure that he is more than willing to share the reasons.
if this idea only came up lately though - - there simply is a deadline for stories and stuff - if they just kept coming and coming there d be no way to update the mod properly, cause disco is just like a spiderweb.
you slightly nudge one knot - and it will shake the entire net - many players are not quite aware of what impact even the smallest things do to the rest of sirius - thats what the dev team is usually doing - discussing the consequences that are often ignored. - these things take time.
if a NAP is what both factions want - but cannot get in 4.87 - submit the idea along with as much detail and thought - for 4.88 when friday asks the factions for storyline suggestions.
(12-11-2012, 02:04 PM)Rodent Wrote: You could pull a tactically risky move and pull out forces for raiding in one house, subsisting on small reserves and attempting to win it all. Might even work...Both bretonia and Rheinland have far more massive problems and a surprise large scale assault might work.
It could work, in cause it's hit and run. Large scale assault on Bretonia space, because, I think, that Rheinland still holds some reservers, to counter Hessians, so they can hold themself against corsairs, before some forces from main warfire side can pull back for assistance, and don't forget about Hessians, who will defend their home.
Bretonia could be a nice option for a strike, in Cambridge system. Main BAF forces are dealing with GRN, Mollys....there are much less Mollys in Cambridge than in Dublin. Also, another + for Cambridge is much less way from Gamma. Only two systems. Omega 5 has Cadiz, which can support their forces, and provide cover for snubs, and take Omega 47 and Omega 49, with large open areas, where strikes from Hessians and SCRA can be more painfull.
There have been many forays on how to evolve Corsair diplomacy that i know of- each and everyone has been swatted.
How this is connected to storyline devving and friday is up to him and the sair council to lay down here if they want- only thing i know that all 3 factions were busy writing propositions fitting them together mix&matching them and submitted them in time.
Of course there were better and worse exposées, but if the other 2 factions were as busy as the Benitez( which i am quite sure they were) then about 30 pages of written text were available as story suggestions.
What(if anything) survived the devving process- someone else might spill....
My personal opinion: Nothing will change on sair diplomacy- they will stay the too stupid to tie their shoes brutes- for the simple reason that every game needs polarizing badguys and for several reasons the corsairs are perfect for this.
Aka it is much easier to stay with same old same old instead of rethinking stuff properly as it needs actual action aswell as "might possibly maybe mean that others might have to give a bit from their piece of cake"
Other than that: Bretonia always was the more favoured target as far as i know, inRPly do to the weakend Bretonians and the easier access (O5 -->Cambridge). Other stuff may or may not apply
what I think about future of all Sair wars:
1 - Omicrons - Outcasts. They is most strong enemy that Corsairs have. For hundreds of years they do fights and none is loosing or wining. Corsairs have abit larger numbers, but OC pilots abit more skilled. So Sairs wont conqure OCs in any closer future. Im not sure what diplomacy now they have, I saw OCs tried to make NAP or sort off, but either CoE or Devs blocked all that.
2 - Omegas - Hessians. With many people in Rheinland that dont like Kanzler and rest of stuff - Hessians always have much more recruits that Corsairs have. While they loosing in skills and ammunition, their big numbers just overthrowing all Sair attacks. rumors in bases said that Sairs is loosing their positions. also Coalition as closest allie of Hessians in Omegas. they is very small in numbers, but more skilled. also i dont know what AD said about its tech, its in no way outdated, because there is scientists that doing upgrades and stuff for Coalition tech. Also lets not forgot about Wilde, even if they attacking all humans in Omegas, not just Sairs
3 - Mollys. they have NAP with GRN, so they can block Dublin without much problems. while inRP they no match for Sairs they can defend their space with no problems, even if they cant hit back.
4 - Brets. With Kusari war, and now GRN war, Brets wont be able to actually protect Cambrige from Sairs, if they will launch full scale attack there. Liberty probably can help them to defend Leeds from GRN, but I doubt it will go to Cambrige for Sair hunt. but Im not exactly sure to be honest.
5 - Rheinland - weakened space that could be good target. but again - Hessians. attacls on Drezden and Stutgart is useless. Only true targets is Frankfurt and Munich. if Sairs will ally with Unioners - even better odds for winning. but OC presense in Sigmas may prove danger.
6 - Kusari or Sigmas - Kusari is no more under Samura control. So Sairs influence not that good. If they try to attack Kusari - KNF, BD, GC and OC will be on their way. And only FA and Hogosha as allies. but I doubt that Corsairs want to envade Kusari at all. -maybe- Hokkaido for fuel. but there is lots of fuel in GMG hands in Sigmas - easier and closer. And again - OC presense in Sigmas.
7 - Liberty. Not an option at all. Order is no more allies, so Omicrons - Alska is not option. Rest paths is too far. Liberty forces is strong anyway, even if half of em will go fight GRN.
8 - Gallia - too far. also Sairs dont know much to actually act towards them. all attempts to establish diplomacy is in progress yet. or so Ive been told.
9 - Taus - out of reach. Alpha is bloking way, Leeds is warzone, Coronado is far, also different people that probably wont like Corsairs in their systems on a way. also idk what current relations of Sairs with CR
Even as a very pro-Hessian side player, I do kind of agree that the Hessians are over-playing their hand a bit. In the next version, they are going to be blocking the Corsairs in all of the Northern Omegas to slow them down in Bretonia, maintain the blockade to the entrance of Rheinland, and push into Dresden to finally claim the system as a symbol to Rheinland. I'd say the latter should probably cost them somewhere else, and with the Mollys forcing the Corsairs away from Dublin their main enemy would have to focus elsewhere. Possibly make a stronger foothold in O-49 or -47 as a result.
As for the "why are we fighting in the Omegas?", the changes in the unlawful makeup of Rheinland should be a 'solution' of sorts. The Unioners working with the Corsairs gives them more of a route in through Munich and Frankfurt around the Hessian flank. As the Hessians said in a recent-ish communication to my VWA: "Rheinland needs its political leaders while we ensure the safety of the Volksrevolution in the Omega systems." The Unioners continue the greedy pirate RP, while the Hessians, Bundschuh and LWB become a tighter alliance in Rheinland. The Hessians can focus on the Corsairs, while the Bundschuh and the LWB fight a proxy war with the Unioners and Corsair raiders. We'll also have a big part in Dresden's fall in a similar vein to the initial Popular Revolution that spawned the Hessian movement.
Unfortunately, Rheinland ceding the independent worlds to Liberty will turn their focus back inwards, making it harder for the unlawfuls to operate. However, the effective loss of the war will dishearten the people's faith and bring more support for the Volksrevolution.
The Corsairs could do with an ally down in the Omegas, but their focus seems to be shifting to the north - with the Sigmas turning into a Hispania battlefield and the raids going into Rheinland alongside the Unioners.
The Kusari lawfulness seemed the most fitting, I don't really know what caused that to fall apart and if it would be started again. The Liberty thing I don't see quite so much.
JayDee, I believe the Colonials used to be ok with the Corsairs at some point but this has since been forgotten (you know what the old diplomacy was like...) Now they are rephacked hostile, and with CR's alliance with Bretonia and IMG I doubt it's going to change.
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