Call for a NEW server rule, POB vs Player interaction, Responsible Placement

[Syrus]

I see bases near Jumpgates as much less of a problem than bases at JHs. Why?
Because jumpgates already can kick your arse kick nicely if you don't watch out as a not-so-lawful character.

I agree with not having bases directly at fields or JHs though.

What about bases at lane junctions which don't have a base?
I mean, there are few of those left, all I can remember are the junctions in Galileo, since Aland already takes one of the spots that was previously empty, and Riverside takes the spot in California. Do they matter?
And what about bases directly at lanes - like, between the ends of the lane...you know. "In the middle of the lane."

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[Markus_Janus]

If we make bases SRP only then that will take care of the placement issues as well.

But still what is soo hard about pirating Haulers just because they land on a base?
They don't sell on the same base.
I hear that space is dangerous, so why aren't the pirates listening to their own words?

The bases near JHs and Gates I can understand, but still surely no weapon platforms within 7k is enough to give you room to get around?

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[Murcielago]

Yes please.

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Lords will rule their land as they see fit, and the serfs shall merely beg.

[Govedo13]

Sadly you are going after the consequences not after the reasons for them.
Bases that block holes and stuff are not harming the gameplay.
The invincibility of those bases is harming the gameplay.
I really dunno why you people devs and admins need to discuss simple thing like:

Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body.
Newton wrote it long time ago. No need to find the hot water again. Rules would not fix it, it would kill huge part of the base purpose.


Possible solutions:
1: Add base killing base produced gun/ship that dies forever if killed.

-Match its level to base core- i.e. base killer gun/ship level 1 kills level 1 base you need to invest to level 2 in order to kill level 2 base.
-Make the thing damn expensive and hard to build. Make it hungry on h-fuel/mox etc in order to shot.
-Make it big slow with slow cruise engines and longer gun charging/cruise charging.
-Make sure that the efforts/costs and risks of creating and using the said base killer gun/ship are the same as creating and supplying the base.
-Make sure that the said ship needs at least 5-8 people to operate and more to defend it.
-Make sure that the said thing needs at least 2 hours time to kill one base level.
-Make sure that the general chat gives green msg when the thing shots- some feature from Sins of solar empire-"Experimental weapon was fired upon base X"


2: Give to the official factions one single Flagship that deal same damage as 1) but cost less/requires less in order to do the same thing as in 1). You would safe a rare specious from extinction and would add cool feature at the same time.
Why you go always with stupid rules that actually harm and restrict the gameplay instead of fixing the game mechanics?
I know it is a way more simple to write another stupid rule but this wont create more activity in the server, in fact it would reduce the activity since it kills major part of base purposes.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[sindroms]

There is no better way to show the negative effects on jumphole pobs than to look what happened to the Corsairs, which barricaded themselves into Gamma to save their hides from frequent Hessian and Outcast raids.

It killed all activity within all three factions.

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[Kazinsal]

Discussion amongst the dev team and the staff is ongoing to determine a way to make bases more volatile in an easy-to-build-easy-to-destroy way. Please be patient and have a nice calming sandwich until we have an official announcement.

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Retired, permanently.

[Vipera Berus]

Oh goody. I miss the discussion but at least its going somewhere possibly good.

[unlucky]

Pro, it caused an ongoing roleplay to break down upon entering a friendly system with a supposedly friendly base shooting a ship down, while the other player entering unharmed with basicly same repcard, and id iff configuration. Base friendship thing can be buggy, but if they are far enough from holes, that problem could be universally solved

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Objection, pal!

[Laura C.]

Sadly you are going after the consequences not after the reasons for them.
Bases that block holes and stuff are not harming the gameplay.
The invincibility of those bases is harming the gameplay.
I really dunno why you people devs and admins need to discuss simple thing like:

Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body.
Newton wrote it long time ago. No need to find the hot water again. Rules would not fix it, it would kill huge part of the base purpose.


Possible solutions:
1: Add base killing base produced gun/ship that dies forever if killed.

-Match its level to base core- i.e. base killer gun/ship level 1 kills level 1 base you need to invest to level 2 in order to kill level 2 base.
-Make the thing damn expensive and hard to build. Make it hungry on h-fuel/mox etc in order to shot.
-Make it big slow with slow cruise engines and longer gun charging/cruise charging.
-Make sure that the efforts/costs and risks of creating and using the said base killer gun/ship are the same as creating and supplying the base.
-Make sure that the said ship needs at least 5-8 people to operate and more to defend it.
-Make sure that the said thing needs at least 2 hours time to kill one base level.
-Make sure that the general chat gives green msg when the thing shots- some feature from Sins of solar empire-"Experimental weapon was fired upon base X"


2: Give to the official factions one single Flagship that deal same damage as 1) but cost less/requires less in order to do the same thing as in 1). You would safe a rare specious from extinction and would add cool feature at the same time.
Why you go always with stupid rules that actually harm and restrict the gameplay instead of fixing the game mechanics?
I know it is a way more simple to write another stupid rule but this wont create more activity in the server, in fact it would reduce the activity since it kills major part of base purposes.

Your ideas sounds good, except can´t be implemented in short-term time period. It needs coding, it needs that special ship model, it needs lot of balancing and this all takes lot of time. You can just say "make sure" but devs must make real decisions and balancing.

So if there is intention to change something in short-term time period, this is not solution because it needs at least months to get it into game.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Ross.Evans]

PoBs should be placed at at least 15K from anything, including planets (except planets without docking capability), jump holes, jump gates, bases (no matter the type of the base).

I am tired of being insta killed by PoBs.

Also, weapon platforms should not be placed at 5K away from the base, you can see that in NY with those 2 bases from Manhattan and second near West Point.

They ruined all the gameplay.

Also Melbourne station is red even to me, with an LSF ID ship and I cannot enter Alaska. Why ? because someone thought is a good idea to make the base hostile with everything.

Don't get me wrong, PoBs are good, but the implementation and usage for them are wrong.

You want to build a base in a jump hole to lock any traffic in or out ? Then you get your base deleted without prior warning. You want it restored ? Admins should tax a removed base restoration with SC 1 billion to get a second chance with the base.

PoBs that are built without RP on the forums should be allowed to be destroyed without the RP on the forums.

This way you can force the players who want to build a new base to register it over the forums and do the necessary RP before the base construction.

The main issue is yes, all individuals are building bases in jump holes/jump gates and you get insta killed without the possibility of moving at all. And weapon platforms should be built at 200m of the base maximum. It is very easy to calculate this via the PoB plugin, Freelancer already supports the 3D position, see /pos command. This can be done via plugin.

Otherwise, if not possible, anyone who builds a platform with other purpose than protect the base itself, gets his platform deleted without warning.

Thank you.