I have some concerns regarding the separation of Molly and Rogue shiplines, as I've understood it the Gold for ships deal is the foundation of the relationship between the two factions, is removing that aspect really worth while? Could the Z-line not simply be reworked to something more suitable?
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(06-01-2016, 02:29 PM)Karst Wrote: Something I suggested quite a while ago which probably won't be popular: The Stork
Under Models prioritized based on balance & shipline gaps
Reason for replacement/introduction: Model unbalancable
It's the Bergelmir of transports. It is simply not balanceable as a 5ker.
Replace the Stork and Titanic models or cargo space. Problem solved.
(06-01-2016, 03:03 PM)Croft Wrote: I have some concerns regarding the separation of Molly and Rogue shiplines, as I've understood it the Gold for ships deal is the foundation of the relationship between the two factions, is removing that aspect really worth while? Could the Z-line not simply be reworked to something more suitable?
There is very little game lore backing this up and over the last 10 years on Disco, nobody has even touched the subject. The only RP done regarding the ties between Mollys and Rogues are that, if you are building X as either of them, you invite the other as well, apart from the usual suspects such as Outcasts and Junkers and Freelancers and whatnot.
While the game says they are allied, there has been no RP to back that up. Neither there is any ingame lore depicting how that came to be - most likely the game creators ended up sharing the shipline on a whim and made them allies just because of that.
Spazzy is pretty much right about the lore thing. I can run it by the lore team, but I don't think they're going to complain at all. The separation was done for two reasons.
1: Ease of balance. It is much easier to balance ships against what they fight if they're fighting less targets. For example, the Greyhound could be easily balanced against the Templar or Guardian or Lynx, but right now it needs to be balanced against all three, making it one of the more lackluster ships in the game.
2: Turning the Z-Line into a generic pirate line. This has been desired for years by many people, and should prove to be a robust addition to the game.
CR Freighter name changed to Tyche at faction's request, since apparently a goddess of luck makes more sense than a goddess of fertility and harvest for a freighter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
CR Freighter name changed to Tyche at faction's request, since apparently a goddess of luck makes more sense than a goddess of fertility and harvest for a freighter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
it was my understanding the Celestra was named in honor of a member who passed away IRL. Please check with Jens and Panzer for that, and if so, it shouldn't be changed.
Also, I think people wanted the Geb downgraded to a battlecruiser due to it being unbalanceable. The OHC does like Kopnik's BC concept and would prefer Kopnik's BC as a new one, and a new Geb model. The modeller we had contacted got IRL'd by work and we don't know when he'll be back so if anyone wants it I guess?
Also just the Thebes. It doesn't feel like it's any type way derived from the Order ship line minus the engines, and just because it looks like an anorexic Osiris with weird turrets canards. As begore, the modeller got IRL'd and we're still looking for another so uh....yeah. not terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but we would like the Geb remodeled to stay a carrier.
CR Freighter name changed to Tyche at faction's request, since apparently a goddess of luck makes more sense than a goddess of fertility and harvest for a freighter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
it was my understanding the Celestra was named in honor of a member who passed away IRL. Please check with Jens and Panzer for that, and if so, it shouldn't be changed.
I guess the name doesn't have to do anything with this then.
(06-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: it was my understanding the Celestra was named in honor of a member who passed away IRL. Please check with Jens and Panzer for that, and if so, it shouldn't be changed.
The Celestra is not a freighter. The Demeter/Tyche/Whatever is not replacing it.
(06-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: Also, I think people wanted the Geb downgraded to a battlecruiser due to it being unbalanceable. The OHC does like Kopnik's BC concept and would prefer Kopnik's BC as a new one, and a new Geb model. The modeller we had contacted got IRL'd by work and we don't know when he'll be back so if anyone wants it I guess?
Who is Kopnik and where is this model? You guys need to make up your mind on what you want.
(06-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: Also just the Thebes. It doesn't feel like it's any type way derived from the Order ship line minus the engines, and just because it looks like an anorexic Osiris with weird turrets canards. As begore, the modeller got IRL'd and we're still looking for another so uh....yeah. not terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but we would like the Geb remodeled to stay a carrier.
(06-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: it was my understanding the Celestra was named in honor of a member who passed away IRL. Please check with Jens and Panzer for that, and if so, it shouldn't be changed.
The Celestra is not a freighter. The Demeter/Tyche/Whatever is not replacing it.
(06-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: Also, I think people wanted the Geb downgraded to a battlecruiser due to it being unbalanceable. The OHC does like Kopnik's BC concept and would prefer Kopnik's BC as a new one, and a new Geb model. The modeller we had contacted got IRL'd by work and we don't know when he'll be back so if anyone wants it I guess?
Who is Kopnik and where is this model? You guys need to make up your mind on what you want.
(06-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: Also just the Thebes. It doesn't feel like it's any type way derived from the Order ship line minus the engines, and just because it looks like an anorexic Osiris with weird turrets canards. As begore, the modeller got IRL'd and we're still looking for another so uh....yeah. not terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but we would like the Geb remodeled to stay a carrier.
Thebes is going to be added under quality.
1.) Oh. Wo. I swore it was a freighter. Nevermind, my bad.
2.) Kopnik said he was waiting for developing feedback so I thought he had messsaged.
Here is the model in its mostly to completely finished glory Durandal. He said he was waiting for developing feedback. Golanski fid like it immensely. I assumed the Geb to BC was a solution not set in stone and all -best poke Golly.
Fair enough, I remember following Mollys on my BPA every so often hauling gold toward Liberty so I thought the deal may have been something more indepth. If a new line aids in balancing then consider my concerns retracted and satisfied.
For keeping something up to date, Kotetsu model(done by Unlucky_Soul), texturing(Unlucky_Soul) and hitbox(Unlucky_Soul) finished, hardpoints(me) at %70 and .ini work(me) pending.