Molly/Outcast relationship

[Madvillain]

hessian breton love

Hessians are in Bretonia for the exclusive reason of fighting the Corsairs, and since they aren't doing anything else the Bretonian Government doesn't give a crap about the since they aren't harming their house.

I'm pretty sure the BPA have more important things to do, like protecting their house from Gallia for instance, instead of chasing around Hessians which aren't a threat.

With all respect , hessians in bretonia just to fight sairs is so freaking silly it makes me wanna choke a bunny.
Especially since Bretonia ignores it
ESPECIALLY since if sairs and rheinland would make the same deal about hessians , it would be retconned INSTANTLY

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[Rodnas]

Don't forget Hessians are a legitmate organization in Bretonia, allowed to use lanes, ask for protection by BPA and whatnot...seems that Rheinies don't have their MND in the right places

Think on it, it's like you have AlQuaida chillin in Canada, openly trading, having a good time and whatnot....surely there won't be any political fallout, right? right?

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[AeternusDoleo]

You know... Madvillain made a pressing case for Corsair/Rheinland neutrality here. If it is allowed for Bretland/Hessians (where it's even known that the Hessies are close buds with the Mollies, making them slightly anti-Bret by default), then in all fairness the Sairs and Rheinieland could do the same.
'Though one massive issue remains: Both the Corsair and Hessian ID allow for piracy against any civilian targets, which includes their "allies". I'm not sure putting a "cannot attack houseX lawfuls" on their ID would improve matters - it'd confuse players who prefer to do their piracy on the lanes and be indiscriminate.

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[Blodwyn O'Driscoll]

I'd just like to say that the factions below ( molly outcast, brets , hessians and even scra ) , have the power to change thoses relationships : politcal stance ain't carved in stone.

[monmarfori]

If OC wants to be allied with Mollys they have to ship "CardiCola" which looks very much like a whiskey.

[SummerMcLovin]

If it is allowed for Bretland/Hessians (where it's even known that the Hessies are close buds with the Mollies, making them slightly anti-Bret by default), then in all fairness the Sairs and Rheinieland could do the same.

Except that two of the main goals of the Corsairs is to capture Cambridge and destroy Bretonia, and to capture Stuttgart and destroy Rheinland (because inRP all the Elders are idiots unfortunately).
The Hessians don't have much against Bretonia other than occasional pirating, yet they do have that whole 80 year war for territory with the Corsairs.
As was mentioned around the Smallwood diplomacy, it would be a more fitting parallel for Rheinland to support the Mollys. However, they aren't the massive presence with far-reaching ZoI to do anything much.

For the knock-on effect, Mollys and Hessians still fight Corsairs together and now the Hessians can bring their transports through to help the Mollys.
I would be surprised the SCRA and Mollys are still quite so cool after their opposite stances on the Bretonia/Gallia war, but supposedly its been worked out (with most people).

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[jonfreelanc]

You know... Madvillain made a pressing case for Corsair/Rheinland neutrality here. If it is allowed for Bretland/Hessians (where it's even known that the Hessies are close buds with the Mollies, making them slightly anti-Bret by default), then in all fairness the Sairs and Rheinieland could do the same.
'Though one massive issue remains: Both the Corsair and Hessian ID allow for piracy against any civilian targets, which includes their "allies". I'm not sure putting a "cannot attack houseX lawfuls" on their ID would improve matters - it'd confuse players who prefer to do their piracy on the lanes and be indiscriminate.

I don't think that it matters too much really. Rheinland is beset by Liberty, the other biggest military in the game, and because of this they are really having difficulty securing operations in the southern areas against Hessian attack. Presumably the war with Liberty would be farther along somehow in the next release, with Rheinland being the one under pressure, so they'd probably take any help at all against the Hessians, lest they take Dresden and Omega-11. That said, it is the Corsairs, so maybe not.

The Corsairs and the Hessians are both under Nomad attack right? So most likely neither is quite prepared to invade Rheinland in any sustained attack. The Hessians would have a little easier time attempting something like that, as they're already there and use piracy from it to help in funding their efforts. The Corsairs don't have that luxury, so attempting the same on their part would be more difficult. And neither would probably want to waste a ton of effort fighting the other, in case they get rid of a potential ally against the Nomads. So really, there is the setup where Rheinland would make an alliance with the Corsairs to prevent any serious move by Hessians, while counting on the two to keep eachother in check, especially with their desire to reduce conflict with eachother due to the emerging Nomad hostilities.

And maybe the Corsairs would pirate some in Rheinland. So? It wouldn't be a complete alliance, just allowing them into southern Rheinland with the provision they keep watch on the Hessians. What is the difference to Rheinland if they lose 1 transport to a Hessian and 1 to a Corsair instead of 2 to more Hessians?

This is all assuming that Rheinland and Liberty are still fighting. I would think there is just as much chance they would ally with Bretonia against the Gallia Kusari alliance.

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[Hone]

Don't forget Hessians are a legitmate organization in Bretonia, allowed to use lanes, ask for protection by BPA and whatnot...seems that Rheinies don't have their MND in the right places

Think on it, it's like you have AlQuaida chillin in Canada, openly trading, having a good time and whatnot....surely there won't be any political fallout, right? right?

You know... Madvillain made a pressing case for Corsair/Rheinland neutrality here. If it is allowed for Bretland/Hessians (where it's even known that the Hessies are close buds with the Mollies, making them slightly anti-Bret by default), then in all fairness the Sairs and Rheinieland could do the same.
'Though one massive issue remains: Both the Corsair and Hessian ID allow for piracy against any civilian targets, which includes their "allies". I'm not sure putting a "cannot attack houseX lawfuls" on their ID would improve matters - it'd confuse players who prefer to do their piracy on the lanes and be indiscriminate.

Except that two of the main goals of the Corsairs is to capture Cambridge and destroy Bretonia, and to capture Stuttgart and destroy Rheinland (because inRP all the Elders are idiots unfortunately).
The Hessians don't have much against Bretonia other than occasional pirating, yet they do have that whole 80 year war for territory with the Corsairs.
As was mentioned around the Smallwood diplomacy, it would be a more fitting parallel for Rheinland to support the Mollys. However, they aren't the massive presence with far-reaching ZoI to do anything much.

For the knock-on effect, Mollys and Hessians still fight Corsairs together and now the Hessians can bring their transports through to help the Mollys.
I would be surprised the SCRA and Mollys are still quite so cool after their opposite stances on the Bretonia/Gallia war, but supposedly its been worked out (with most people).

That all stems from the Omega War between Rhienland and Bretonia, when the Mollys and Hessians took the opertunity of their two "master" enemies fighting each other, to gain legitimacy with the other, each claiming to be on the side of the other house, gaining the benefits, and using it to make both the hessians and the mollys stronger. Now that the Omega war is over, it remains to be seen where it will go.

Also I dont think the goal of the corsairs is to destroy rheinland/Bretonia, just to pirate it. For one thing, they never could, the weakest sirian house is far stronger than the OCs and Sairs combined. Although who knows what could happen if that house gets destroyed by another house.

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[SummerMcLovin]

This is all assuming that Rheinland and Liberty are still fighting. I would think there is just as much chance they would ally with Bretonia against the Gallia Kusari alliance.

They will stay at war, but the fighting will slow down with the destruction of the gates in Hamburg. That way Liberty can move its focus to defending Bretonia and the independent worlds in between, while Rheinland will try and build itself up and deal with the Hessians more. I guess with Dresden falling, they will be more vigilant.
They are more likely to be on the Gallic side though, since they still don't like Liberty and are friendly/allied with Kusari (not quite as much as Bretonia/Liberty is or will be).

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[monmarfori]

And yet Corsair ID is rephacked to Rheinland as full hostile - 9 bars negative.