(10-06-2016, 12:12 PM)Auzari Wrote: Outcasts, Corsairs
also do note that mean that literally every faction in the omicrons is red to us
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not sure about Outcast, I don't play OC much but your faction is not hostile to the Corsairs, some of your character hostile but not every single A/) char's even yours and Vendetta's SRP caps also not hostile to Corsairs.
Also, I submit a report about your ships why they are not hostile to the Corsair, according to the server rules (I wonder what TBH doing)
Quote:9. The character registered on a board must be at least neutral to their employer, and hostile to the faction they are targeting in a bounty. This does not apply to assassination missions where the target is a single character. Board owners are obliged to ensure that the persons they are hiring have a suitable reputation. This means no hiring or paying people who would be hostile to you based on previous actions or non-hostile with the targets they claim.
Sadly admin did not even reply to me about the report but OK !!
I'm also curious to know will Auxesia fix their ZoI or its already fixed not 100% sure tbh but looks dumb when we seeing their bounty climbing Sirius-wide.
(10-06-2016, 03:12 PM)Reid Wrote: yea but i thought it was established with my last post that faction relationships go deeper than red=ded
Which is funny because I recall Outcasts and Corsairs in the same group (for actual RP-reasons) warranting a sanction on all the involved ships. Obviously you don't change unfriendly to outright hostile diplomacies by actual ingame interactions. Isn't Disco a lovely place?
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(10-06-2016, 03:22 PM)Darku Wrote: Also, I submit a report about your ships why they are not hostile to the Corsair, according to the server rules (I wonder what TBH doing)
Nope.
All Aux ships are rephacked red to Corsairs. It was done months ago.
Also pretty much a lot of factions can claim Sirius Wide, along with generic IDs. Secondly, we don't even have our ID yet.
(10-06-2016, 03:22 PM)Darku Wrote: Sadly admin did not even reply to me about the report but OK !!
Because there was no need to sanctionlancer(and wtf, thats probably the weakest reasons to report someone instead of inform), it was already rephacked. Corsairs are listed as hostile on the faction diplomacy.
In all honesty, I want to be sure we're clear (and past the point) that the PoB destruction was legitimate; I'm very new here, and not sure I understand all of the intricacies of a FR5'd faction.
I think we can agree there is lag on updating info pages on the forum, and Primary Faction infocards need updating (i.e, the Order| primary tag still calls out the Core| as the BHG/Core), so we should use a grain of salt using these as hard datapoints.
For a PoB attack (it was "my" PoB), I watched closely. It hit the following checkboxes:
-Attack declaration thread and correct wait time
-RP post about why this this happened (linked previously, and all in the PoB thread)
The PoB was is in Core "controlled" space, and Sapphire Raven stumbled upon it. Information is worth something; for exchanging the location to the Core|, she negotiated better relations with he group, Aux, and the Core|. That makes sense, correct? So, she tipped off the Core| on the forums, they agreed, and then the siege post was made.
If the faction's status didn't get updated in time (...and, honestly, not sure where that lives; on the forums under each faction's info, in a main thread, ingame (unlikely), etc.), and therefore the rule Alley brought up was "broken", can we agree that is was was acceptable, due to the RP beforehand?
I want to ensure this is cleared, before someone submits a Violation report. We can settle this outside of getting Admins (overworked as they are) involved.
Believe me, I'm not jumping for joy or thrilled my/the PoB was discovered and blown to smithereens, but, it was dropped in a risky location, and survived for a month or so. The Zoner base that was dropped by the Delta JH in Lost lasted...like, 3 days before the Nomads took it out.
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As for editing posts, there should be a changelog, somewhere, but that's just more overhead to take care of. If there aren't existing forum rules, then there's nothing officially "wrong". However, I'm surprised we are allowed to go back and change posts without a time limit. I've seen places where a post is locked after X hours after posting (i.e, 72). It prevents anyone going back and changing things. Perhaps not for sticked posts (as this is where info lives), but for regular posts.
(10-06-2016, 02:11 PM)Reid Wrote: Rogues aren't allowed to shoot Outcast Caps in their space
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I've done this for six years and there was never a problem with it as it was a roleplay justified job.
As for the topic...
Lol.
You know it's only when the Order loses some ground that their tear ducts are jammed open. There have been countless times where you've worked closely with people you consider enemies. HMMM... BHG, LN. Take your hypocrisy out of here, because if one faction can conduct diplomatic arrangements to shoot another despite being enemies, why can't another do the same to one? That's called a double standard.
As for the RP that was removed - I did it. I went through and made changes to the lore involving the removal of specific lines relating to anything Alliance and removed a quote in favor of summarizing. The section was never deleted, just changed. The other threads were redundant and shouldn't have been posted, as the poster lost their HC Account privileges for using it to write poetry and post it on the forums. Unnecessary fluff, so to speak. We sat down with said person and they left the HC chat in a spout of rage.
EDIT: Note that everything taken out is backed up in a folder for another time or if the poster wants it.
All in all, it's funny to see the Order try and chastise every individual detail after recent times.
By the way I won't be responding to this thread anymore. It's a big joke.
(10-06-2016, 03:29 PM)Yeggito Wrote: In all honesty, I want to be sure we're clear (and past the point) that the PoB destruction was legitimate; I'm very new here, and not sure I understand all of the intricacies of a FR5'd faction.
I think we can agree there is lag on updating info pages on the forum, and Primary Faction infocards need updating (i.e, the Order| primary tag still calls out the Core| as the BHG/Core), so we should use a grain of salt using these as hard datapoints.
For a PoB attack (it was "my" PoB), I watched closely. It hit the following checkboxes:
-Attack declaration thread and correct wait time
-RP post about why this this happened (linked previously, and all in the PoB thread)
The PoB was is in Core "controlled" space, and Sapphire Raven stumbled upon it. Information is worth something; for exchanging the location to the Core|, she negotiated better relations with he group, Aux, and the Core|. That makes sense, correct? So, she tipped off the Core| on the forums, they agreed, and then the siege post was made.
If the faction's status didn't get updated in time (...and, honestly, not sure where that lives; on the forums under each faction's info, in a main thread, ingame (unlikely), etc.), and therefore the rule Alley brought up was "broken", can we agree that is was was acceptable, due to the RP beforehand?
I want to ensure this is cleared, before someone submits a Violation report. We can settle this outside of getting Admins (overworked as they are) involved.
Believe me, I'm not jumping for joy or thrilled my/the PoB was discovered and blown to smithereens, but, it was dropped in a risky location, and survived for a month or so. The Zoner base that was dropped by the Delta JH in Lost lasted...like, 3 days before the Nomads took it out.
...
As for editing posts, there should be a changelog, somewhere, but that's just more overhead to take care of. If there aren't existing forum rules, then there's nothing officially "wrong". However, I'm surprised we are allowed to go back and change posts without a time limit. I've seen places where a post is locked after X hours after posting (i.e, 72). It prevents anyone going back and changing things. Perhaps not for sticked posts (as this is where info lives), but for regular posts.
Just some thoughts from the new guy.
This dude gets it. So if the base owner isn't upset over his base being destroyed, why is Chrono foaming at the mouth for him?
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(10-06-2016, 03:34 PM)Inferno Wrote: I consider this thread derailed.
Anyway...I think we have had time to argue our conversation like civilized players...and it made this thread the hottest one of the day.
All in all, if Aux can just show the RP that they are cool with the Core| after they got bounty-boarded, I would have a resolved argument on my end.
we've done stuff in the past with them, also some characters are on a 'no shoot' list for being friends of the leader, namely people who were part of the old 'core squad' - eg ruby hydra, matt bishop, sephiron, guildkeeper rayne, etc. Hell there was RP where Ruby was saved by Sapphire, which is a pretty big thing.
(10-06-2016, 03:29 PM)Yeggito Wrote: If the faction's status didn't get updated in time (...and, honestly, not sure where that lives; on the forums under each faction's info, in a main thread, ingame (unlikely), etc.), and therefore the rule Alley brought up was "broken", can we agree that is was was acceptable, due to the RP beforehand?
I want to ensure this is cleared, before someone submits a Violation report. We can settle this outside of getting Admins (overworked as they are) involved.
Just to be a bit more clear here: You're not allowed to ally with hostiles. Now that's the rules, but there are cases where the ID can override the rules, or even more rare, the RP has enough justification to override the rules. In a case of RP>Rules, it has to come from a common agreement from all sides and justifiable to the admin team if there is a report.
The rules are here to provide some common ground to everyone, but it will never be a catch-all thing. There will always be situations that simply do not fit the rules but make sense and we did see a few of them show up when I was an active admin. They usually are left alone if everything leading to it was good enough and justifiable.
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