(06-26-2013, 05:03 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Are you suggesting Zoners should not be able to build PoBs all together, or just not ZA? Where is the RP justification that Zoners can't accumulate wealth or resources to build a base ? what are all those zoner Whales for otherwise?
I'm suggesting that a small group of zoners, who are far not the only inhabitants of Omicron-74 should not be capable to lock down the whole system against the wills of the other locals.
(06-26-2013, 05:03 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: that seems like something you should be talking to the admins and developers about, not whining about ZA. and going to the admins to complain about something you cannot fix in game is not in RP, btw.
There are many other topics suggesting how bad and disruptive PoBs are in regards of RP, how OP and invincible a Core4 one is, and how the whole system lacks balance and regulations. I'm not "whining" here about how bad the system is, I just raised my concern about how the ZA exploited this system, or rather say, abused it.
And I never addressed ZA in any way inRP yet.
(06-26-2013, 05:03 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: as for the ham fisted RP attemps re garding Lividia, that I see your point on and agree. poorly planned RP? yes. does it justify all the ooRP malice? not in my opinion
Poorly planned RP? No, it was not RP at all, just an ooRP powergaming attempt they resorted to in order to gain advantage over their adversaries once they ran out of inRP solutions to deal with the situation. Does it justify all the ooRP malice? Hell yes, they just asked for it, didn't they?
(06-26-2013, 04:41 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Actually ZA could be controlled inRP
Quite wrong- check Jinx post about it- canon RP- ZA are doing nothing wrong so there is no reason/ground to FR5 them.
(06-26-2013, 04:41 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: I really see no relation between my way of thinking and imagining I am a zoner while doing that nonsense.
Why you expect then that ZA would do nonsense?
This is what most of the people expect from ZA- to bend and do nonsense while they have all the tools needed to defend their position and RP- guns, ships, weapon platforms etc. You all just fail to put yourself in ZA shoes.
Also you look quite single-mined when you highlight the fact about zoner ID that is not allowed to attack anyone.
ZA zoners with the weapon platforms are not attacking anyone since the bases have no IDs, base platforms also are stationary- they got no CDs no thrusters- none is forced to be attacked by them- if you does not like it just don't go there,or communicate with the owner to add you to the green list, killing the base is the hardest from all above.
On the same way Zoner IDed base besiegers are also within the ID rules since they does not attack ships- otherwise both would be rule breakers. It is also normal to use not legit methods from their side if all others do so against them- just report if you have proper evidence the admins would sanction them np.
ZA exploited the system and abused it ? Ory? What about Coin, Cross etc bases positioned at the gates/holes?
ZA made base after numerous official and unofficial factions. This statement is not only single-sided but even pathetic.
Powergaming and metagaming are hard to understand for the new players so they slip easy there- instead of hating them for that just explain what they done wrong and let the admins/mods handle the rest. If meta/power gaming new players bother you so much then do write a tutorial with good explanation and examples what is Powergaming and what is Metagaming, handle it then to admins and mods to inspect it and then they could pin it to the rule explanation series.
I doubt that there any experienced with the server players in ZA so it is normal to get sanction or two till you get the depth of the rules especially since such things are not explained anywhere. Everytime when old players accuse new players in things that the new players have no idea about I laugh a lot.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
(06-26-2013, 05:16 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Quite wrong- check Jinx post about it- canon RP- ZA are doing nothing wrong so there is no reason/ground to FR5 them.
By my knowledge Zoners are allied to Order by canon, and obviously to Zoners too... by canon. Yet the ZA managed to wage war with both. Are they really doing nothing wrong?
(06-26-2013, 05:16 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Why you expect then that ZA would do nonsense?
This is what most of the people expect from ZA- to bend and do nonsense while they have all the tools needed to defend their position and RP. You all just fail to put yourself in ZA shoes.
What nonsense do I expect from ZA? To behave like the rest of the Zoners do? Is that nonsense?
When talking about Zoners, I rather put myself in Zoner shoes and think about what I should do as a Zoner, rather than into ZA shoes. They had their chances to behave like the rest of the Zoner community and they refused to do so.
(06-26-2013, 05:16 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: It is also normal to use not legit methods from their side if all others do so against them- just report if you have proper evidence the admins would sanction them np.
Two wrongs don't make a right, if they feel the non-ZA side is playing dirty against them, they should report them pretty much as you suggested and not degrade down to the same level.
But of course, given that recently the Admins warned Tri Udent about his constant reports of metagaming, I assume you will take this opportunity to voice your conspir[A]cy theories, like usual.
EDIT: As I see you edited your comment, gimme a minute...
(06-26-2013, 04:41 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Actually ZA could be controlled inRP
Quite wrong- check Jinx post about it- canon RP- ZA are doing nothing wrong so there is no reason/ground to FR5 them.
(06-26-2013, 04:41 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: I really see no relation between my way of thinking and imagining I am a zoner while doing that nonsense.
Why you expect then that ZA would do nonsense?
This is what most of the people expect from ZA- to bend and do nonsense while they have all the tools needed to defend their position and RP- guns, ships, weapon platforms etc. You all just fail to put yourself in ZA shoes.
Also you look quite single-mined when you highlight the fact about zoner ID that is not allowed to attack anyone, ZA with the weapon platforms are not attacking anyone since the bases have no IDs, on the same way Zoner IDed base siegers are also within the ID rules since they does not attack ships- otherwise both would be rule breakers.
It is also normal to use not legit methods from their side if all others do so against them- just report if you have proper evidence the admins would sanction them np.
Powergaming and metagaming are hard to understand for the new players so they slip easy there- instead of hating them for that just explain what they done wrong and let the admins/mods handle the rest. I doubt that there any experienced with the server players in ZA so it is normal to get sanction or two till you get the depth of the rules especially since such things are not explained anywhere. Everytime when old players accuse new players in things that the new players have no idea about I laugh a lot.
Well regarding pobs its not completley accurate, pobs are considered players, attacking a pob or destroying it requires rp, blackpool is a reminder.
But yeah I agree, the bases shoot the ones that shoot it, thats pretty much everyone, and while some invidividuals who are not part of it has to suffer because of it. Remember, a week ago everything was just fine until the lols came in and dragged everyone down to their stupidity.
The "SolarR" will probably be charged in fake-oorp behaviour, alliance cannot be achieved in " 5 minutes " and to have the rp to engage other persons from a zoner position, takes more than a few words of " we share the same goals and the usual drama ".
(06-26-2013, 02:48 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Yes, you have tried to assist them, but in a useless way, and judging the time it took you guys to join in this fight, it was pointless right from the start. You should have supported them, not to tell them to stop, while the AIS started this war, I call it "hyporctics" and I say so only inRP ( no means to offend ) - you were quick to blame them but not the AIS, I wonder why.
We didn't join the fight, ZA declared war on us, remember? You (or your brother) dragged us into this mess. Even that time, we only acted in self-defense and tried to stall the time to not attack you.
And after all of this, you expect us to help when the next conflict arises? Why? I'm asking this for the second time. Give me a point why should Phoenix choose the troublemaker group instead the AIs for example who proved themselves reasonable party? Because you are Zoners? Fancy capital ships and ID don't make you one inRP in my eyes.
(06-26-2013, 05:16 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Also you look quite single-mined when you highlight the fact about zoner ID that is not allowed to attack anyone, ZA with the weapon platforms are not attacking anyone since the bases have no IDs, on the same way Zoner IDed base siegers are also within the ID rules since they does not attack ships- otherwise both would be rule breakers.
Seems I got ninja'd on this one. Tel said well, PoBs are as much in-game entities as characters and ships are. Or who do you attack when you attack a PoB?
(06-26-2013, 05:16 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Powergaming and metagaming are hard to understand for the new players so they slip easy there- instead of hating them for that just explain what they done wrong and let the admins/mods handle the rest. If meta/power gaming new players bother you so much then do write a tutorial with good explanation and examples what is Powergaming and what is Metagaming, handle it then to admins and mods to inspect it and then they could pin it to the rule explanation series.
I doubt that there any experienced with the server players in ZA so it is normal to get sanction or two till you get the depth of the rules especially since such things are not explained anywhere. Everytime when old players accuse new players in things that the new players have no idea about I laugh a lot.
New players lol, ZA claims to be year old lol, how come they didn't learn what those two things are? And I'm sure along the way of pissing neighbors off they met many players to find at least one telling them the concept behind those words. Your point barely stands here.
@Tel-Aviv
Bases indeed shoot the ones who shoot them, but also everybody unregistered in case the base is set hostile to all. Care to explain the numerous screenshots where ships getting shot at by gun platforms while base shields are down? (Such screenshots include whales too, being able to shoot at the base by no means, as well as the Cataract, the destruction of which said to be the ignition of ZA-AI hostilities.)
(06-26-2013, 05:16 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Powergaming and metagaming are hard to understand for the new players so they slip easy there- instead of hating them for that just explain what they done wrong and let the admins/mods handle the rest. If meta/power gaming new players bother you so much then do write a tutorial with good explanation and examples what is Powergaming and what is Metagaming, handle it then to admins and mods to inspect it and then they could pin it to the rule explanation series.
I doubt that there any experienced with the server players in ZA so it is normal to get sanction or two till you get the depth of the rules especially since such things are not explained anywhere. Everytime when old players accuse new players in things that the new players have no idea about I laugh a lot.
If I remember well, they are on this server for half year, at least. I wouldn't consider them as new players. My problem is that they are doing the same mistakes repeatedly, without the sign of learn or the will to learn.
ZA being able to lock down the system is as much fault of Phoenix and everyone else who let them build such a dangerous base at such a crucial choke point. ZA cannot be blamed solely for that. Mollys did the same to O-49 in Dublin, but I don't hear all the Zoner rage about that.
Now, if the base is indeed set to shoot at anybody/everybody, then that puts us back at Blackpool, and admins should probably step in and address the situation accordingly. But, instead of reporting a rule violation, InRP everyone jumped into this Civil War idea and ran with it.
If the problem is truly PoBs/caps/whatever thing you think is hurting gameplay, then leave the complaints where they should be and let the higher authorities do their work. This is about ZA, and nothing I've seen shows me that they've done anything InRP worthy of their treatment they've been getting OORP. InRP, I think everybody is getting what they deserve.
And no, bad RP doesn't justify trolling. You just said two wrongs don't make a right. For someone who claims they value RP so much, I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard, yes? Control what you CAN control.
(06-26-2013, 05:46 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: ZA being able to lock down the system is as much fault of Phoenix and everyone else who let them build such a dangerous base at such a crucial choke point. ZA cannot be blamed solely for that. Mollys did the same to O-49 in Dublin, but I don't hear all the Zoner rage about that.
If the problem is truly PoBs/caps/whatever thing you think is hurting gameplay, then leave the complaints where they should be. This is about ZA, and nothing I've seen shows me that they've done anything worthy of their treatment they've been getting OORP. InRP, I think everybody is getting what they deserve.
And no, bad RP doesn't justify trolling. For someone who claims they value RP so much, I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard, yes? Control what you CAN control.
Phoenix is not a legislative organization in O-74. We don't have the right to tell them where to build bases, we never wanted to do so in- or ooRP anyway.
(06-26-2013, 05:46 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: ZA being able to lock down the system is as much fault of Phoenix and everyone else who let them build such a dangerous base at such a crucial choke point. ZA cannot be blamed solely for that. Mollys did the same to O-49 in Dublin, but I don't hear all the Zoner rage about that.
If the problem is truly PoBs/caps/whatever thing you think is hurting gameplay, then leave the complaints where they should be. This is about ZA, and nothing I've seen shows me that they've done anything worthy of their treatment they've been getting OORP. InRP, I think everybody is getting what they deserve.
And no, bad RP doesn't justify trolling. For someone who claims they value RP so much, I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard, yes? Control what you CAN control.
Correction, if you know RP well, Spata Station, Lividia and the research station in 74 all belong to (\^/)
and more over, they are the only ones who repectly went against the ZA. ill agree to this, the Solar Runners which i lead, could of done better in RP, that is true, if anyone is to blame about this RP, its those that dont do it or silent engage, not the Zoners, not the Order, no one. if you want the truth from me, the only fact that this war contiune's is mostly the indies. i mean, traders, boom, something happens, indy corsairs attack, boom, something happens. the war began with indies and will end with indies... i mean really, i tried saying out of it but i keep getting dragged back in because this AI is attacking another AI base OR ECG attacking this zoner...