Alright, Tel, you just went full jerk-mode. You'd better cut it.
And finally.
Zoners are allowed on Bethlehem as it indeed is a Zoner installation. But it is a Zoner installation in Liberty space, thus Liberty laws apply, therefore foreign - that includes Zoner - cap ships are not permitted to move there without permission from Liberty. Honestly, there's nothing that difficult to understand about it and there is no reason to change this as there is no reason for a Zoner to fly a friggin' capship there in the first place.
I believe this thread oughta get closed right around now.
(01-27-2013, 06:17 PM)Toaster Wrote: Alright, Tel, you just went full jerk-mode. You'd better cut it.
And finally.
Zoners are allowed on Bethlehem as it indeed is a Zoner installation. But it is a Zoner installation in Liberty space, thus Liberty laws apply, therefore foreign - that includes Zoner - cap ships are not permitted to move there without permission from Liberty. Honestly, there's nothing that difficult to understand about it and there is no reason to change this as there is no reason for a Zoner to fly a friggin' capship there in the first place.
I believe this thread oughta get closed right around now.
Intimidated rather, anyway - will try the permission for the 300th time, post was dead before it was posted then.. blah.
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(01-26-2013, 10:30 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Aight then, I'll just start another zoner based faction to free penn, time to pwn
Good luck to you, good sir. You should know that the Maryland feeds on the tears of Zoner caps in Liberty.
Also, inRP, Pennsylvania -is- a system that Liberty claims authority over, it's not an issue of server rules.
The restrictions which limit the use of Capital ships inside any House's space are not server rules, they are inRP laws created by the respective 'government' of whichever House is in question.
In other words, if you continue to take Zoner caps into House space (including areas they claim jurisdiction over), and the lawful factions there see fit to destroy you, the Administrative team won't be getting involved, unless you provide evidence of actual server rule violations, in which case we'll get involved to deal with that issue, but not to stop them from destroying your ship for violating inRP laws.
(01-26-2013, 10:30 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Aight then, I'll just start another zoner based faction to free penn, time to pwn
Good luck to you, good sir. You should know that the Maryland feeds on the tears of Zoner caps in Liberty.
Also, inRP, Pennsylvania -is- a system that Liberty claims authority over, it's not an issue of server rules.
The restrictions which limit the use of Capital ships inside any House's space are not server rules, they are inRP laws created by the respective 'government' of whichever House is in question.
In other words, if you continue to take Zoner caps into House space (including areas they claim jurisdiction over), and the lawful factions there see fit to destroy you, the Administrative team won't be getting involved, unless you provide evidence of actual server rule violations, in which case we'll get involved to deal with that issue, but not to stop them from destroying your ship for violating inRP laws.
I agree mate, my point is really simple.. zoners have no "government" because sirius as far as I know is not under the coalition, so factions should have a voice of their own, this is why its a very delicate situation, zoners.. in liberty.. vice versa.. i get it, but if zoners have a base in liberty, why do they have the right to decide who can and who cannot, maybe you could just move it some place else then? whats the point of a zoner base if a zoner can't visit ( caps i mean ).
So yeah, like real-estate, it falls under their land, but they don't own the base, and If we ( zoners ) had a government of our own, we would respect their decision, but we don't have it, all we have is a treaty signed by somebody who is probably gone already.
New rules rise and fall all the time, but bethlehem doesn't.. and why? because we can't claim a legal right.
Unless you can find a navy who is willing to let us in with our caps freeley, its not going to happend, ever.
Because really, not being a smart-ass - i don't like navies parking in FP's as well, but I dont deny entery to them, because I am nobody next to the LN.
(01-27-2013, 06:34 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: it is too risky for us to transport our assests in cargo ships, as criminals might try to get their hands on it ( Specificly the Rogue affiliated gang - The Torpedos )
Again, good understanding of the Torpedoes. Their MO is definitely not shooting masses of LNS capital ships while ignoring civilians, so they'll start murdering inconspicuous Zoner transports.
(01-27-2013, 07:13 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Because really, not being a smart-ass - i don't like navies parking in FP's as well, but I dont deny entery to them, because I am nobody next to the LN.
You might not be 'somebody' in Disco-politics terms, but that doesn't mean you can't help others to do it. If you feel Liberty (or Rheinland) shouldn't be docking on the base and actually see them do it, take some screens and send them to the other side or directly to the official Zoners. RP and FR5ing can then occur.
Tel-Aviv, you might think you are the herald to a Discovery community revolution, I've seen your threads and posts, and I have come to learn what's going on with you. Trust me, there have been others like you before, yours is a lost cause, this things usually end in tears.
The Zoners do a have a government. Many in fact. Each freeport has an administrator that governs it. Talk to the administrator of Bethlehem before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
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(01-27-2013, 01:55 PM)Sanguines Wrote: IMG caps in Dublin where always escorted out to Omega's. Sorry.
Bretonian laws have pretty much always been more lenient than Liberty ones. Comparing apples and oranges. In Bretonia caps usually get escorted out - in Liberty they die.
(01-27-2013, 04:44 PM)Echo 7-7 Wrote:
(01-27-2013, 04:33 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: ...
If something should suit RP, it will be to free Penn much like mollys at dublin.
ITT: Tel-Aviv demonstrates that he has no idea what it means to be a Zoner.
Not really. Liberty's annex of Penn was highly controversial and did result in some armed conflict on Erie from some of the younger settlers who resented the intrusion. They were crushed, but the negative sentiments of oppression and invasion would still be a strong undercurrent that could be reignited. The "loss" of Erie is supposed to be one of the primary motivators that has led the Zoners' attitude to Bretonia and Gran Canaria.
Zoners did have a central decision body.
It happened twice.
Council Of Zoners : RIP.
Zoner Alliance : RIP.
When zoners aren't united, people whine about it. When zoners unite, people whine about it. Meh.
Now, i'm sorry but your way to see things is just terribly wrong, Tel.
You basically come here, totally ignoring the lore in place - people's work - and not seeming to be willing to inform yourself about it.
Then you do complain about people being mean and not allowing you to do stuffs that are in total contradiction with the lore in place.
Duh.
As it was pointed out by many people already, nothing is stopping you from using ships actually dedicated to transportation to do your thing.
But no. It must be a juggy. A ship that is supposed to be used as a colony ship, exploring shiny places far from Sirius and the silly trolls living there.
You can see here the difference of effort made, compared to your request?
It got denied. So what. Not the end of the world.
My two cents :
Either scrap your juggy or move it where it belongs. Edge worlds.
And please start to read zoner lore. You will see people's reaction is far better when you acts according to the lore in place.
Because there are enough totally silly things going on. Adding some more would be redundant, aye?