What's happening with the Omicroners?

[DarthBindo]

You know that everyone except for the RR are coming from Freital and Ronneburg right?

The raids are gonna keep up as long as its profitable to do so. Only way to slow it down would be to make the Sair board as good as or better than the 101st one.

Unfortunately, all the merc groups shoot us already.
Woe is us.

---

gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Reacher]

You know that everyone except for the RR are coming from Freital and Ronneburg right?

The raids are gonna keep up as long as its profitable to do so. Only way to slow it down would be to make the Sair board as good as or better than the 101st one.

The offical factions for the most part yes.

Indies all the time they base from those stations.

[Vito]

o put it short:
agreed on the RP standards of official factions; it needs to be enforced and maintained
agreed on the low possibilities to control of Indies
but
FR5 is an RP instrument. Zoners need this instrument dearly because they're not supposed to be violent, and everybody would actually like to have rp consequences for ingame actions (no?), so the only possible way to be proactive while not violent by means of game mechanics is the usage of FR5.

Whether you ask for it, or not, it should be a common instrument of the Zoner RP, and perhaps only of this NPC faction, so asking for anything like the removal of docking should be tied to the usage of this FR.

So, if Zoner players are seriously talking about an FR5, while you are perhaps not, it makes much sense to them because they're not supposed to wield any real weapon but access to their bases, and I daresay the Corsairs are acknowledging this rp weapon, or why else would you want to negotiate about Zoner base access?

Nvm *shrug*

Well, the decision whether to FR5 someone or not is for the zoners to make. Again, I'm sure the Official Factions will have the decency to respect the InRP restrictions and FR5'ing some random group of mercs or bounty hunters should not be a problem

---

The Corsair Trade Company

Information | Feedback | Communication Center | Recruitment

[lousal]

I'm sure the Official Factions will have the decency to respect the InRP restrictions

I'm not sure because I've seen official faction players docking on Zoner bases while actually attacking them. But I guess it's still alright somehow because if it's not considered to be RP such things have to be tolerated. It's freaking game, so treat it as such. Then again, why should anybody talk about staging attacks from Zoner bases? Everybody likes to do it just because it saves time, so RP could mean to pretend having staged from somewhere else.

This discussion about docking rights, staging attacks, and related matters is completely futile if good will would be applied. The best of it is that everybody knows that little quirk so it's really a boring reiteration making the rp here so dull, so, for what it's worth, ...

... have fun, guys.

[Govedo13]

Actually the discussion is more then relevant since nothing will change till the Devs/Admins give the tools of the Zoner Base owners in order to enable them to RP. Because it does not metter Omicroners or other group of Zoners- anyone will own this bases and the Corsairs will demand the same from him- the story will be the same too sadly. Now both parts loose- Corsairs would not have anyone to ask to stop the inviders(FR5), Omicroners loose their official status for nothing.
Thats why I find the whole situation stupid for both Corsair and Zoner players- while other groups profit from it.

---

€œ

Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Vito]

Actually the discussion is more then relevant since nothing will change till the Devs/Admins give the tools of the Zoner Base owners in order to enable them to RP. Because it does not metter Omicroners or other group of Zoners- anyone will own this bases and the Corsairs will demand the same from him- the story will be the same too sadly.

There is a simpler solution: Give TAZ and OSI their own ID's, remove the Zoner ID and assign all Freeports to the neutral faction so they would be actual free ports

---

The Corsair Trade Company

Information | Feedback | Communication Center | Recruitment

[Govedo13]

Vito this is bad idea- the only way that Zoners could RP their neutrality is with the many nice docking locations that are free to you if you comply with Zoner Demands( non-fire zone, non starting fights in front of their bases, dont dock there under enemy fire etc.), loosing it they would not be able to RP their core RP. I would make all ammo cheaper on Zoner bases and cheaper repairs- insentives of people to use them. I would also make sure that if you got zoner FR5 all Zoner ally factions would be red to you too.
Zoner capital ships are not in RP and they must be only few of them.
The whole is simple supply and demand question, it is really sad that people cannot look beyond their own faction wishes and put themselves in the chair of the other guy.
However in order to control the stations they should be able to FR5 people- it is their faction right and they dont have it while the zillion of special factions, closed factions, non-vanilla factions etc factions get everything that they wish- stupid and unfair uh?
Hell if I were in any zoner official facton I would demand to have the same official faction rights like the other official factions( FR5).

---

€œ

Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Zelot]

o put it short:
agreed on the RP standards of official factions; it needs to be enforced and maintained
agreed on the low possibilities to control of Indies
but
FR5 is an RP instrument. Zoners need this instrument dearly because they're not supposed to be violent, and everybody would actually like to have rp consequences for ingame actions (no?), so the only possible way to be proactive while not violent by means of game mechanics is the usage of FR5.

Whether you ask for it, or not, it should be a common instrument of the Zoner RP, and perhaps only of this NPC faction, so asking for anything like the removal of docking should be tied to the usage of this FR.

So, if Zoner players are seriously talking about an FR5, while you are perhaps not, it makes much sense to them because they're not supposed to wield any real weapon but access to their bases, and I daresay the Corsairs are acknowledging this rp weapon, or why else would you want to negotiate about Zoner base access?

Nvm *shrug*

TBH is asking for an FR5 and yes, the reason is that it is an inrp tool the Zoner factions should be wielding and don't.

All I can say is it should be interesting to see what happens now..

---

 

[escopton]

Just to get it out there for those concerned. If the Admins sell OSI 74 it'll be as much a guard system as Baffin. Closed off and restricted systems are no fun for anyone. We would try our best to make it worth visiting.

Excuse me sir, but Baffin is not restricted nor boring. We even got a casino there now.

---

[lousal]

Omicroners loose their official status for nothing.
Thats why I find the whole situation stupid for both Corsair and Zoner players- while other groups profit from it.

It's not really that much important now, but I think a different perspective is more appropriate ...


We have decided to resign from the status as an official faction by disbanding and dropping any supposed rights (we could have easily kept them for another year or two). While there are theoretical advantages we've had as an official faction, there was also responsibility tied to this status. That's at least what we thought three years back when we applied for officialdom. Now, it would be a lie to state it ever made any practical sense, but that means as well that we are not only dropping potential advantages, call it faction rights, but also according obligations, call it responsibility. It's a great waste of time to think about a NPC Faction RP you've accepted the responsibility for while not being able to achieve a status quo beyond doing what every Non-Zoner demands. It's a funny thing to see everybody having his very own opinion about Zoners, but when being asked to impersonate better examples to see the people vanish, or to fail after a while either by maiming deviations of their RP, or by running into serious troubles a real universe very probably wouldn't impose on them. However, it's not necessarily a matter of the players who dare to play Zoners. It's the inconvenient Zoner RP (non-violent characters surviving in a suicidal universe full of war machinery), and it cannot be changed without taking the special feature away from them - neutrality.

In the end our perspective was: Does it really make sense bearing any responsibility for the Zoner RP, while neither being able to achieve any substantial progress due to an artificial stalemate rather imposed on us by player issues than anything else, nor actually having fun with it anymore. The latter was the final trigger to realize how senseless it is to try role playing here, but it is not true that the situation is stupid for "Zoners" or "Corsairs". Firstly, the Corsairs might get very manageable Zoners as neighbours (from what I've experienced and compared to other powerful groups they're really complaining the most), and secondly, OSI have really waited for a very long time to get 74, while drawing as much as they could, so the groups of both NPC Factions might achieve something in the end.

But I'm convinced the "Corsairs" are going to treat the Zoners near them much better, once the Omicroners have vanished. That again is actually beneficial, and a success finally.