Back when there was no drift for f1,it was more feasable to just f1 the transport,then pop it in to load up.
Now,the only safe way to do it your self is to load the miner,then transfer to the transport.
When the transport is full ( thanks to the hedgemon cargo nerf,it now takes several trips), dock the miner and run the transport to sell.
and the second ship is only on long enough to transfer the cargo,so its not like your running 2 accounts at the same time to do both.
Yes,it takes time.But....not all of us are into the "gotta make xxxx million credits an hour or it sux" crowd.
Some of us enjoy the peace and quiet of mining solo,to be able to sit back and enjoy the scenery.
' Wrote:Yes the MAC ban would stop everybody, admins are people they have lives and are not paid to do stupid amount of useless sanctions. Game mechanics should solve such issues not sanctions.
Your suggestion does nothing to show how it would actually anything, while my solution would make it literally impossible to F1-mine, as your ore would disappear when you F1'd. It sounds to me like you're just shooting down everyone else's ideas and insisting you're the best possible thinker in the whole world, when your "solution" really didn't actually do anything.
While I agree with everything you've said as far as what causes the problem, and what all of the effects of the problem are, your solution to "get rid of ore after x minutes" would not solve the problem. Having the server keep track of droppped ore, and remove it when the person F1'd, as well as having the time stamp which the server already has on dropped commodities, would ensure that the only way a person could trade ore would be via multiboxing.
There are no ways to prevent multiboxing before it happens, without possibly punishing two different people who are playing the game in a home, library, or other shared address; the only way to deal with multiboxing without stomping on a bunch of innocent people is to manually determine if a person is multiboxing.
But F1-hauling can be stopped, and I already posted a solution that would make it literally impossible to F1-mine.
OK whats the most pain in the arse thing you know about? People who fly ship A, cloaks and F1 outta your range then returns with cap. People who mine/trade get pirated and F1 just to bring their dread or gunboat. People who F1 to wreck camp..
F1 = 10 minute IP ban... what so ever.
That means F1 costs more then just the risk of getting reported, it will force you to simply deal with the situation at hand instead of going "lol lets log the BS"...
Govedo's suggesion is simply brilliant. It would solve multiple bad situations, including the one at hand; F1 mining... The thing about suprise ganks 1 second after a trader was pirated (like when Sails enters Omega 7 during mining time; 6-8 ships suddenly dissapear and outta nowhere tonns of RHA and Reavers logs on)
OK whats the most pain in the arse thing you know about? People who fly ship A, cloaks and F1 outta your range then returns with cap. People who mine/trade get pirated and F1 just to bring their dread or gunboat. People who F1 to wreck camp..
F1 = 10 minute IP ban... what so ever.
That means F1 costs more then just the risk of getting reported, it will force you to simply deal with the situation at hand instead of going "lol lets log the BS"...
Govedo's suggesion is simply brilliant. It would solve multiple bad situations, including the one at hand; F1 mining... The thing about suprise ganks 1 second after a trader was pirated (like when Sails enters Omega 7 during mining time; 6-8 ships suddenly dissapear and outta nowhere tonns of RHA and Reavers logs on)
If that many people come on, it's not from F1, it's from skype.
The problem with IP bans is: What about lag? What about when somebody has internet issues, or the server itself disconnects them, because let's face it the server isn't always at it's best. Should everybody who gets lagged out simply be IP-banned for 10 minutes over and over again?
People could easily swap IP's and come back on, or even use different computers with different manually changed addresses. There will always be a way around bans.
The only way to fix it is to punish their character, or prevent it from happening in the first place. Otherwise, innocent people will be punished, and cheaters will just find a way around the bans.
However: If the character amount per account was increased, then most people would end up putting all of their characters on the same account, so the not-allowed-to-log-in-for-40-seconds would take care of a lot of those issues. Of course, people can use account managers to have more accounts, and some people will do that. But most people only start to have multiple accounts to hold multiple characters, and conveniently realize the other ways they can use it, afterwards. So if they never needed another account, most people wouldn't have any reason to think of ways they could misuse the extra accounts.
We can never completely stop everyone from ever being able to metagame without accidentally punishing people who weren't even trying; large-scale auto-bans risk punishing lots of people who aren't actually trying to cheat.
When it comes to situations like these, you can only do your best to prevent as much cheating as you can without the possibility of punishing someone who is playing honestly. Because we all know how much it sucks to pay for something you didn't do; we've all faced situations like these before, whether it's being banned for something you didn't do, going to jail for something you didn't do, or getting a paddle for something you didn't do, and, in most situations, none of us like it, besides the paddle, which some of us may have liked.
TLI-Inferno is right. Connections are not perfect, some have dial-up still, which is the worst internet to have. Banning people based on the fact they suddenly log out in a iRP senario isnot viable. We have to remember the number of causes that can discon someone.
Because why to limit ourselves just with miners. We could be banning all the silent traders as well. Heck, we can ban pirates who do not fit the "good form" too. Once we establish good banning tradition we could move on to banning all the pvp-whores too. After all, they do not care about rp that much do they?... they all are here just to have fun.. pff nasty. Rise your BanHammers in the wind as the hand of doom reaches for all the indfidels and unorthodox.
... and after the war is won, we can happily play in semi-empty server and later realise that even those "bad form" players helps to fill Sirius and adds dynamic to disco world we find to enjoy after getting tired form reality.
Thread is full of a bunch of people claiming that their opinion is fact. Lulz.
Yes! Let's turn a bunch of people who just wish to play the game and enjoy the game when they don't have anyone to play with into a bunch of rule breakers!
No thanks. Role play is subjective. All these F1 miners are doing is role playing two different roles. That of the miner and that of the transporter. If we don't want them F1 mining, bring back the Heg's ability to be a decent solo miner.
As it is, F1 mining isn't cheating. The admins know it happens and they've said it is fine (dunno if it was in green and I'm not going to dig to find it, sorry). This is because F1 mining has inherit risks involved. Risks that others have already stated multiple times over and over.
Instead of whining and trying to have a rule made so you can sanction another player. Go interact with these guys. Be it stealing their loot and teaching them that teamwork is more profitable or being on their team to show them teamwork is more profitable; either is groovy.
Yeah, we rather have NO FREELANCER SERVERS AT ALL than see people earn some cash on their own. Ban everyone, close Discovery!
Of course the balance is pretty much present, as someone already mentioned - F1 is already punished by about a minute of no login, NPCs can steal your cargo when you jettison it, as well as players can just stalk you and wait for the moment until they can steal/destroy your cargo (which is a really cheap shot). But some people are forever unable to see as far as to actually understand how balance works in these scenarios, since all they know is their own personal issues with certain parts of the gameplay, that just somehow make them feel emotionally hurt.
In reality, if the server and coding were more powerful and stable - I'd personally allow people to use as many accounts as they would like at the same time, given the fact that they own enough machines to run each of those accounts on. If you own two or more machines and use them all by yourself - that's still MORE work and that is still cash that you earned the hard way (in the case of mining-trading).
If you think that multiboxing is easy or cheating - you obviously have no idea how much actual work is involved there. F1 mining does not even count as multiboxing and you STILL cry about that. Get a grip.
edit: There is a good reason why the 'everyday' player doesn't get to invent sanctions and rules. Most people are willing to punish others immediately, and harshly, as long as the problem concerns them personally. This hardly ever happens in terms of global problems and things that just don't end up being in our faces. When someone 'steals out of your pocket' - you will send him to prison without looking back. Then you magically make yourself a supporter of the policy that punishes those people and magically begin understanding people who have been robbed in the same manner. In other words - if you weren't miners yourselves - this thread wouldn't exist. This hypocritical attitude is but a drawback. Some of you speak about friendliness towards your allies - but when you see your ally F1 and then steal his cargo - how are you being their friend? The whole idea is that it would be much better to actually try to put yourselves in the shoes of others, rather than become enraged and demand 'justice'. This issue doesn't break RP, no more than a number of other problems do. It does, on the other hand, break your fragile hearts, since you see someone making money in an easier way than you do, admit that that is your only issue and stop pretending to care for the holiness of all RP.
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