Please make me understand

[Chrono]

This is the Player Base RP forum, please take this discussion to another area.

Requesting that this Thread be moved Via Admin.

EDIT: Nvm, Thanks Ktayn.

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[farmerman]

Moved to non-inrp section for discussion.

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[perdoller]

Another test of Hogosha legality.
If any person kills Farmer Alliance, or what is more important - Corsairs, does Hogosha very unhappy.
And what are your orders to Kusari Police and Navy? "Corsairs and FA under protection, we orders not to touch them, even in self-defense, since Kusari is now ruled by Hogosha"?

I do not know what you were thinking it, but you did complete crap.
Hogosha is illegal. Your RP about them is unlawful. That's all.

[sindroms]

Note, please, that Hogosha NPCs are neutral to the Kusari police and military in vanila. They are only attacked when they chose to demand cargo from them. Thus it makes them quasi lawful, just like it should be.

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[xiphos]

Another test of Hogosha legality.
If any person kills Farmer Alliance, or what is more important - Corsairs, does Hogosha very unhappy.
And what are your orders to Kusari Police and Navy? "Corsairs and FA under protection, we orders not to touch them, even in self-defense, since Kusari is now ruled by Hogosha"?

I do not know what you were thinking it, but you did complete crap.
Hogosha is illegal. Your RP about them is unlawful. That's all.

When in doubt, label other people opinions as crap. Good one.

I don't want to comment the Hogosha thing. You are still angry about Itabashi. Understandable. I am also not happy with the situation. InRP AND ooRP. But i think you shouldn't question the whole Hogosha lore because of the base and the behavior of some peeps.

The Corsairs nor the FA are under protection by the Hogosha in Kusari.

The Corsairs, when caught in an act of piracy are going to the prison. What happens after they arrive there? Who knows? Maybe a rich Hogosha come along and pay for them and maybe the Director of the prison takes the bribe and the Corsair can go. Corsairs sitting at the lanes? Well. They are asked to go to the next exit.

The FA was a LONG time semi lawful party in Kusari. Protected by Samura and even the emporer loved them. They have had a seat in the Government. Now they are outlawed by the Kishiro dominated Government. But, they still have A LOT supporters because you can't change people over night.

Samura is obviously still a supporter. I have the feeling that the relationship with the Hogosha is a bit colder than before, but that might be an observation after a few discussions with the BDS leader. And in the KNF/KSP they have peeps with the same "We want our emporer back. A republic is bad for the Charma, Kill all Gaijins. Grrrr..." mindset. So it's not a big surprise when a KNF/KSP leave the Farmer alone (not caught robbing a trader ofc) after a good talk about how healthy rice is and how bad Synth paste. And i've met a few law enforcers like that so far. Same with the "Oh a dirty Farmer! Must kill !!!".

All in all you can't say "Hey, your RP is crap" because there are so many possibilities in RP.

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[perdoller]

All in all you can't say "Hey, your RP is crap" because there are so many possibilities in RP.

You even doesn't try to understand. Hogosha allies makes the ONLY law in Kusari and their actions against Corsairs as unlawful. Police and Navy who uphold the law become illegal and KP/KNF vessels will be destroyed to dust if they protect Kusari space. By Hogosha station.
Yes, there is many possibilites for RP. But there is no more House, Kusari space is more like Omicrons or some unregulated systems. No law, no rules. You do something "lawful" and become "unlawful".

So describe please inRP why Kusari Police player will be destroyed for uphold the law by the... law. It doesn't make sense.

Also there is some changing in ships. "Black Dragon" is already marked as lawful vessel. But it is common vessel for Blood Dargons and Golden Chrysanthemums terrorists. There is too many strange changes because ooRP of some players and they can not confirm and explain their meaning. They simple cannot understand what they do. They want more power, money, but in matter of the law - they destroy the law.
Kusari has no more law, their codex protecting Corsairs and "lawfully" allow to destroy any lawful vessel, even Navy for fight with Corsairs.

[AeternusDoleo]

From a dev standpoint:
- Hogosha and Sairs remain close buddies, partnering on the artifact trade
- Hogosha and Gaians will devwise likely become neutral. The two factions have no overlapping ZoI.
- Corsairs -should- be unlawful in Kusari, but they barely have a presence in the house. The only place in Kusari with Corsair NPCs is the Sigma 13 gate area, where they attack civilian shipping. From a dev standpoint, KSP/KNF and Corsairs will remain rephacked hostile, and faction relations will also be hostile. Corsairs are pirates. Law enforcement hates pirates. Law enforcement will always hate pirates, no matter the amount of "allies" telling them not to attack said pirates.
- Hogosha are defined as quasi-lawful. This means:
* Their bases should be a bit away from the lanes, so that illegal activities don't draw much attention (this is the main problem with Itabashi)
* They cannot commit open acts of piracy in-house, as that would force law enforcement to take out the entire organisation. Same with any quasilawful faction in any house, if you openly commit attacks against civilians AND operate in the open, expect the navy to come knocking on your doors with heavy mortars. They are not considered pirates inside house space.
* They can smuggle at will - paying off law enforcement to look the other way even. They have full access to lawful and unlawful bases (exceptions are possible if they are at odds with a faction)
* They can engage in direct attacks outside of their house - but may be hunted there as pirates themselves.

As for why Hogosha and KNF/KSP have missions against eachother - this is because the NPC factions are set as "unfriendly" against eachother. I'll bump that to neutral, but that might cause the amount of Hogosha missions to drop off. They'll only end up with the BD, GC, Interspace and (debatable) Kishiro as NPC faction. Which will essentially limit versus-npc missions to BD and GC.

[Edit] @perdoller: The Black Dragon is a Hogosha only ship. The Blood Dragons use the Katana mostly, which is a reddish version of the Kusari VHF. The GC use their own fighter, which is also reddish. But with the amount of Dragons in use in Kusari, confusion is understandable.

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[xiphos]

All in all you can't say "Hey, your RP is crap" because there are so many possibilities in RP.

You even doesn't try to understand. Hogosha allies makes the ONLY law in Kusari and their actions against Corsairs as unlawful. Police and Navy who uphold the law become illegal and KP/KNF vessels will be destroyed to dust if they protect Kusari space. By Hogosha station.
Yes, there is many possibilites for RP. But there is no more House, Kusari space is more like Omicrons or some unregulated systems. No law, no rules. You do something "lawful" and become "unlawful".

So describe please inRP why Kusari Police player will be destroyed for uphold the law by the... law. It doesn't make sense.

Ok. I don't try to understand you. You got me there...

I was talking about the Corsairs and the FA. But maybe i should quote myself.

I don't want to comment the Hogosha thing. You are still angry about Itabashi. Understandable. I am also not happy with the situation. InRP AND ooRP. But i think you shouldn't question the whole Hogosha lore because of the base and the behavior of some peeps.

Also there is some changing in ships. "Black Dragon" is already marked as lawful vessel. But it is common vessel for Blood Dargons terrorists.

The Blood Dragons do not use the Black Dragon. Not at all. The Black Dragon is a Hogosha ship made by Samura.

Kusari has no more law, their codex protecting Corsairs.

The Corsairs, when caught in an act of piracy are going to the prison. What happens after they arrive there? Who knows? Maybe a rich Hogosha come along and pay for them and maybe the Director of the prison takes the bribe and the Corsair can go. Corsairs sitting at the lanes? Well. They are asked to go to the next exit.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Hogosha as far as I remember is a criminal orginization with some strings in Kusari government.
Kishiro and samura are Kusari, without these two Kusari doesn't exist, yet it must rep hogosha to have access to their planets.. help me out here.

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[perdoller]

As for why Hogosha and KNF/KSP have missions against eachother - this is because the NPC factions are set as "unfriendly" against eachother. I'll bump that to neutral, but that might cause the amount of Hogosha missions to drop off. They'll only end up with the BD, GC, Interspace and (debatable) Kishiro as NPC faction. Which will essentially limit versus-npc missions to BD and GC.

All fractions are related to diplomacy is about the dependence - The official Navy and Police -> Corporation -> Quasi-legal organizations and lawfuls of other Houses -> Crime and those who are generally outside of the house and hostile.
And in Liberty and in all the other houses it's the same.
If this chain is changing will change RP. But it changes it completely. Navy in any home is not allied to quasi-legal organizations, because they in turn are associated with crime. That was until Hogosha. Just breaking the chain makes a Navy quasi-legal organization becasue Hogosha is allied with pirates. And makes Navy hostile or unfriendly to GMG for example, but this is not so important as ally with Corsairs.
If there is change of Hogosha legality - change their allies like in any other House. Gallia has same diplomacy hierarchy.

And that's why legalization is Hogosha ooRP. Because negotiations did not include Hogosha diplomacy. Something like, "yeah let's do the quick, Corsairs themselves sorted out, no matter what they are enemies in Kusari. We are friends and so Corsairs will be" But they don't. This ooRP. If someone is officially Navy or the government must consider the consequences and allies of those who agrees.