This whole thing with Omicron-74 is just one massive mess. I have a habit of clicking on bringing up the "Today's Posts" section and just middle clicking everything that looks interesting to read every morning, and I can barely get my head around all thats going on out there, since I don't have any ships that currently have a reason to go out there I can't go look for myself either.
Various members of SFC| are in factions that do go out there and all I seem to get from them is "[ZA] are a bunch of idiots". And we ourselfs (By which I mean SFC|, not just Navy) have recieved an indirect threat from [ZA] purely because I was in a screen shot by an [LN] who was hunting one of your ships that was illegaly trespassing in Liberty.
That with all these claims of people "Metagaming" and a com thread posted by [ZA] with a threat thats only evidence was Metagaming does seem increadibly hypocritical.
I'm not entirely sure what you're doing, but the more I hear the more I want to find out exactly what your doing that makes everyone around you so angry.
Also, just as an FYI, SFC| haven't run missions into the Omicrons since April, so threaterning to destroy our ships out there and refuseing us docking on Freeport 11 is basically like threaterning to destroy any ship of ours that enters Kusari, we simply don't go there so its pointless.
(06-25-2013, 05:57 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Here's my question - are Official Factions allowed to enforce their RP on unofficial factions with the same ID?
- If yes, then the current Zoner war is completely justified, and I think ZA is doing a great job making their own RP. That being said, I'm also eager to see it come to a conclusion if for no other reason than it has drawn the attention to literally half the server, and the rest of the place is dead.
-If no, then Phoenix (I think they are the Official Zoners on the server) and any other Zoner group attacking ZA should be sanctioned and Bastilled for violating their ID if it does state that they cannot attack other Zoners.
Quote:4.7 Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
Here is your answer.
In fact, I believe that this rule would have allowed the Phoenix to end the whole madness without it getting this far, and I think it is only their kindness that allowed ZA to continue the flow of their ignorant actions. Since ages it is the first occasion I think this rule could actually be useful.
Iv just read this statement and tbh that rule is just aimed at individuals not groups, if their rp is different as our's has become through activity and circumstance then where do we go from there? As for phoenix having allowed us to continue, that is far out there to even comment on.
(06-25-2013, 05:57 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Here's my question - are Official Factions allowed to enforce their RP on unofficial factions with the same ID?
- If yes, then the current Zoner war is completely justified, and I think ZA is doing a great job making their own RP. That being said, I'm also eager to see it come to a conclusion if for no other reason than it has drawn the attention to literally half the server, and the rest of the place is dead.
-If no, then Phoenix (I think they are the Official Zoners on the server) and any other Zoner group attacking ZA should be sanctioned and Bastilled for violating their ID if it does state that they cannot attack other Zoners.
Quote:4.7 Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
Here is your answer.
In fact, I believe that this rule would have allowed the Phoenix to end the whole madness without it getting this far, and I think it is only their kindness that allowed ZA to continue the flow of their ignorant actions. Since ages it is the first occasion I think this rule could actually be useful.
Iv just read this statement and tbh that rule is just aimed at individuals not groups, if their rp is different as our's has become through activity and circumstance then where do we go from there? As for phoenix having allowed us to continue, that is far out there to even comment on.
Here's where your logic is wrong:
Quote:4.7 Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided.
That covers everybody who uses an NPC affiliated ID. In this case, as ZA uses the Zoner ID, and Phoenix is the "official" zoner ID using faction they have authority over all unofficial Zoner factions and players. As O-74 is the Zoner Guard system, Phoenix has much, much, much more say about it than ZA.
Now i had to dig into the Comm Channel to find the spark, the point where you ignored 4.7 and phoenix.
Your actions to cure your boredom have resulted in a mess in O-74, your faction is the laughing stock of the whole server and you're doing nothing but ruining the game for others by causing ridiculous lag at peak times with your pointless fighting and breaking the Zoner ID itself. Yes, I know there's 2 sides to the argument with Pheonix, Order etc all getting involved and provoking the war but ZA seem to have got the ball rolling both times.
RP or not, it's a stupid war and it's not even going to get anywhere. Daily fighting that results in nothing actually happening. Based around the sieging of a POB as well? Why? You're just causing upset for those that want to explore and RP in peace around those systems...and anywhere else in fact because all they're doing is lagging because of your pointless fighting.
Forum-wise, there's no point even looking at the Comms Channel. I like reading things on there, especially if it's aimed at a faction I lead/am part of. I don't want to see "ZA this" "ZA that" "War the other"...as you can see from this thread, a lot of people are clearly fed up of it.
I can deduce all this and I don't even have a char in that area.
Excuse the rant, it's just been getting on my nerves for a while.
(06-26-2013, 08:37 AM)MiniStryke Wrote: you're doing nothing but ruining the game for others by causing ridiculous lag at peak times with your pointless fighting
You know, it's not like they're deliberately trying to get the server to lag. Blaming other players for the server's instability when all they do is bring a bit more activity than usual to the server is pathetic, honestly. It shows how much ZA is getting the scapegoat title for being blamed for something they can't even remotely help. Are you trying to be an ass while having run out of things to blame them for, or actually trying to be constructive? If it's the latter, I'd like to see you name list reasons why they would be deliberately causing this lag.
If anything, blame the opposing forces for sending two dozen battleships to Omicron 74 every day and proceed to shoot their bases for 12 hours straight for whatever reason. I guess people get really persistent when they hate something.
Phoenix are not the only one who is official, and be official or not, zoners should not attack other zoners, at best they need to help them. The phoenix itself is a laughing stock, all other factions tried to help the za while they were trying to to meddle them. Trust me I've been close to them enough to see they have flaws. This does not mean za is clean, but from my reckoning they allowed this oorp none-sense to go on. Even the order turned a blind eye, just hope for your sake that they will not be capped as well.
Btw in not a new user... just cleaned accounts and all....
Hey Ktayn if this off topic or what so ever just send me a pm *thumbs up*
Anyhow this is why I am posting....
Everyone needs to calm down... Ingame and out.... This 74 thing is way to out of hand I have even talked to most of the admins, and they sometimes cant log when this is going on and they to are about fed up with it. This war has soooo many people taking different sides, Also that the ZA, Pheonix, ECG, and alot more in the middle of this mess and need to solve it soon... Heck the TAZ made a meeting one day with most of those faction leaders and a few told me ZA shot it down by saying "We are not going to get rid of those stations at the jump holes" thats one way i heard it even over Skype. Like come'on yes its good for activity but the ooRP and the Trolling and the constant bickering about, Its almost everyone whos been in 74 who done it. Ive been one of those Zoners shooting the base for over 8-9 DAYS now and its getting annoying and to old so im not getting involved anymore unless a buddy says its an emergency. But still no one is innocent in this thing not even i am we all need to just stop for a moment and think... "why is this still going on" I mean why does this have to keep going on... I dont care whos official and whos not but it needs to get solved and get worked out before many people get way over their head and say something like "oky thats it everyone fire at will no ooRP just kill kill kill and we win with no one mad" but thats hopefully not the case after i post this... I have wasted over 10 days of my life now acctually being involved and some how i dont even know how i got involved thats the scary thing. So i suggest Every single leader whos even been involved in this gets on skype or trillian and talk and or get into a forum chat where everyones views are given to the public... Thats all i have to say... Its Tireing and its Old
"Legend out..."
I hope to hear everyones opinion and open minded ideas in this... This needs solving ASAP
What would you do with a drunken pilot, what would you do with a drunken pilot early in the morning~
My name is Fluffy Tails, you got an issue with that big whoop, sue me. I know what a furry is and whats not a furry. If you cant tell the difference then your a bigot. :p
Give me a bottle of vodka, my combat boots, a good Russian or Third Reich song, a Gurkha Kukri with a training dummy, some Chinese food or Tacos, and then well have a very very fun time and we might possibly end up on Interpols most wanted or at least on the run from the govt.
Doj, what's your inRp/Oorp reasons for helping these guys (no threat, I just don't know your characters and I'm just curious and I'd be happy if you filled me in PM-wise)? You've been seen shooting at quite a lot of people in the Omicron 74 zone. The fact that there are a lot of groups (official and un) participating on the anti-ZA side absolutely does not mean we're guilty of metagaming or deliberately seeking a conflict for anti-Rp reasons. The Rp is always stated, both ingame and out, on the com channel and elsewhere both by the ZA and none-ZA sides. Remember, this isn't about loads of groups ganging up on an unofficial. Consider the Consensian and Solar participation over that one.
Plus please don't accuse us of Oorp hate? It's already a struggle keeping this Inrp, otherwise we can do some of this in flood. That goes to any anti-ZA people too.
Ok, time for the feedback:
I'm ok with the Zoner Alliance as a whole, I'd just like it if you make your foundation roleplay more complete, obvious, and out there, maybe in a full lore document with a complete list of historical events (including the war if you don't mind, some of the inRp behaviour regarding these events have been a tiny bit dismissive). This would go a long way to restoring Omicron 74 to a state of amicable Rp instead of a bloodbath of imbecillic account switchin' rage renaming tag stealin' Lol-transports immediately being destroyed by the forces of either side.
Oh and for the love o' God, whoever's flying:
- AI-Gonnagetchew
and
- AI-Gonnagetchew2
Just please delete them.
Plus please don't assume the entire Omicron community are report-worthy. It's not healthy and it breeds distrust.
On a positive note:
You've kept the Rp consistent at least, the tone of most of your forum transmissions appears fairly level. You've reached out to the groups surrounding you and contacted them over their diplomatic stances, which means your foreign policy contains an impression of balance. You've also sent representatives to peace conferences which indicates an active willingness to participate in Roleplay. Just lower the blind engagements and the moniker: "We're at war no Rp any more" should disappear from your necks for good.
I like and respect ZA, most of all your courage and your determination. Whilst this faction is a bit of a leaky ship there's still plenty of time for you to plug the holes. And that means the Rp characters you represent; Mow, Udent, and Divir most notably, will really have to pull your fingers out. Just a little stretch and you may get there, but you're going to get your town in order first.
Quote:...decency and compasion they would gang the ais
What have we done? All of our conflict rp has been legitimate so far.
(06-25-2013, 05:57 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Here's my question - are Official Factions allowed to enforce their RP on unofficial factions with the same ID?
- If yes, then the current Zoner war is completely justified, and I think ZA is doing a great job making their own RP. That being said, I'm also eager to see it come to a conclusion if for no other reason than it has drawn the attention to literally half the server, and the rest of the place is dead.
-If no, then Phoenix (I think they are the Official Zoners on the server) and any other Zoner group attacking ZA should be sanctioned and Bastilled for violating their ID if it does state that they cannot attack other Zoners.
Quote:4.7 Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
Here is your answer.
In fact, I believe that this rule would have allowed the Phoenix to end the whole madness without it getting this far, and I think it is only their kindness that allowed ZA to continue the flow of their ignorant actions. Since ages it is the first occasion I think this rule could actually be useful.
That's the point. We let ZA to develop(as other groups within 74), at least I had hopes it won't end as it is. The idea was let 74 to control itself without our intervention. But it seems we will need to claim 74 back, at least inRP.
As for ZA POBs, we've asked you guys multiple time to cease fire from damn station. From original message, it's almost 20 days http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=99973 You've ignored everything what we said. Don't expect peaceful end if you won't surrender these stations. Much love.